Documented cases of people ever pretending to be trans/another gender in order to assault someone in a bathroom: zero

Meanwhile, thousands of trans people were murdered, raped, and/or assaulted just last year, just because of their gender presentation.

Who's dangerous again?

A group of parents is suing a school district because of its trans-gender accepting bathroom policy.

Probably the cheapest thing the schools could do is put in a couple/few single bathrooms with both genders indicated. That way the poor kids of these phobic parents (as well as trans-gender kids) can use whatever bathroom they want and where they feel safe.

Many places are going to single bathrooms--much more expensive, I'm sure, but worth it to put this whole insane thing to rest!



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Like who the heck cares; I did a meeting last night, and I'm about 80% certain an individual who shared was t/g, and I managed to listen to the message--which was particulary powerful--and I'm sure if that's the case, that person has transcended an incredible amount of pain and still manages to move forward in this "journey we call life."

And people are still seeking to greatly increase that pain.

The fact is that people who are transgender pass as the opposite gender all the time. They have been using the bathrooms of their new gender and nobody noticed as they didn't know they were transgender. Or if they suspected, they just whispered among themselves. I've seen people that I could not determine if they were female or male. I suspect it's a female that has a male haircut and dresses as a male.

All this bru ha ha over public bathroom use is getting to be ridiculous. Everyone uses the same one in their homes!!

I know that most of the redneck women around here carry guns in their purses. Who knows, they probably have a loaded gun in their undies. I'm WAY more scared of being in close quarters with them than I would ever dream of being of a trans woman in the restroom.

Yeah, most of them couldn't hit what they were aiming at on a bet! On the other hand, they could (and would) hit anyone else in range!

I own and sometimes carry a firearm, for self-protection. Just for the record, I AM NOT A REDNECK! And I am a damned good shot who likes to practice at the shooting range!

I have seen a few trans-women in public restrooms, and I treat them just like anybody else. If there is a line, get into it. Hold the stall door open for the next person as a polite gesture, if the restroom is crowded.

If everyone just behaves politely, there wouldn't be all this hostile nonsense.

Me too!

I think what the person is pointing out is that there are many more documented shootings/instances of gun violence than there are incidents of bathroom violence at the hands of trans people or people pretending to be them. And yet there isn't this level of hysteria over every person who could possibly own a gun entering a bathroom stall. No matter how safe the gun owner is, certainly a gun is always more dangerous than genitalia.



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Most opposition is not due to any suspected threat from the trans community. It's crafting laws that allow anyone to violate the privacy of others under the umbrella of providing trans rights.

As in this Target store yesterday. The man who entered the women's dressing room did nothing wrong until he started filming a young girl in the stall next to him.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016/05/girl-caught-man-recording-her-in-target-changing-room-frisco-police-say.html/

Was the man in question transgender? No? Then the new transgender laws did nothing to protect anyone.

Filming someone in a women's dressing room is however, already illegal and I hope they are fully punished under the law.

Please tell me again how the the anti-transgender laws are protecting anyone?

In this specific instance, Target's new transgender policy facilitated the crime. Most stores still won't allow someone who appears to be a male enter the women's dressing rooms.

"Target's new transgender policy facilitated the crime."

Actually no. You haven't thought this though it seems. This is a consequence of the laws, not Target's policies. Up to now, people who appeared to be women would enter a woman's bathroom, changing room, etc. No one questioned this. It was easy to determine who should be in what bathroom, OK for the most part it was.

Now, trans-gendered people are forced to use bathrooms, changing rooms, etc opposite to the gender they most identify by law. So, If transgender people follow the law you will have very masculine transgender men in a woman's bathroom and very feminine transgender women in men's bathrooms. All of which is required by these laws.

In other words, the LAWS are confusing who should be in what bathroom. The laws make it easier for perverts to gain access to locations they shouldn't be in.

Think, before the laws were in place, this guy wouldn't be able to boldly walk into a woman's changing room. Now, thanks to the law, if anyone questions why he's in there (assuming he hadn't been caught filming), he can say he's transgender and walk away. Before the law, he probably would have been stopped at the door and at the very least asked what he was doing there.

Target's policies attempt to keep people in the proper restrooms and changing rooms, but thanks to the laws, it's become very difficult.

If you think that confusion over who should be in what bathroom won't become a bigger issue thanks to these laws, take a look at the news report of a woman, not a transgender woman, but a woman from birth who was kicked out of a woman's bathroom for being considered to be too masculine. (see http://www.newsnet5.com/news/woman-suing-fishbones-after-being-mistaken-for-a-man-and-kicked-out-of-the-womans-restroom, it's an ABC news affiliate out of Cleveland, not a joke site.)

This law has made a mess of things and I'm glad the Feds have declared that it goes against civil rights.

ETA:
"Most stores still won't allow someone who appears to be a male enter the women's dressing rooms."

Actually, that's exactly what the law now requires. If a transgender man needs to use a public restroom, he must use the woman's room according to the law as written. Target's policy is actually keeps "someone who appears to be a male" in a men's restroom/dressing room.



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My understanding is that the laws (NC specifically) apply only to government controlled facilities. Private businesses are free to establish whatever rules they wish.

In most instances, this created very few difficulties. Men who looked like women could use the women's facilities as they always had and nobody was the wiser.

But in the interest of making sure the trans community does not feel disenfranchised, Target opened up it's facilities to whatever specific gender/sex an individual may claim, despite outward appearances. This allowed for a young man making no effort to look like anything other than a young man to enter the women's changing area and film a little girl changing clothes.

Where this occurred, Texas, has no state law to that effect.

"Men who looked like women could use the women's facilities as they always had and nobody was the wiser."

Please explain how this works with the laws. If, as you say a transgender man is in a government facility, if he needed to use the restroom, wouldn't he have to use the woman's restroom? Isn't that the opposite of what you state above?

Anyway, you have yet to explain how these laws protect anyone. The law wouldn't have stopped the guy in the story from entering the woman's changing room. If anything, it would have facilitated it.

And yet people get raped in bathrooms all the time without any trans people involved. Men have entered women's bathrooms to be predatory because they are predators. No "facilitation" required. And lol, that article had absolutely nothing to do with the trans law. That happens all the time at different stores. You just made up the connection.

A trans woman forced to go into a men's bathroom is far more likely to be raped than to rape anyone. Plain and simple facts. But I guess their safety isn't important, right?

And no, it's not about "trans people feeling disenfranchised." Trans women of color are the most frequently murdered and raped group in the world, statistically. But if one pervert films one cisgender woman at some point and puts on a wig to do it...that's not worth saving hundreds or thousands of trans lives?



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I don't know about you, but there aren't any "bathroom guards" in stores where I have been.

However, by having bathrooms, Target must be facilitating all kinds of problems. If one follows your logic, we'll all be out in the alley relieving ourselves because no store would want to "facilitate" a crime.

Perspective and logic, please.

Here's what I don't get. Why aren't these transphobes worried about little boys being attacked by men in bathrooms? And may I gently suggest that a woman could easily violate my privacy in the women's room just as well as any man could?

Now, now! Don't get all rational on us!

This whole brouha is just an escalation of the age-old argument of whether the toilet seat should be left up or down...

Much of this sounds just like the "protecting Southern womanhood" claim of the Jim Crow era.

Imagine if you were a young trans woman alone at a stadium and the potty police "read" you and refuse you entry to the womens' restroom and you are forced to use the mens' room. It's not unheard of for women to do this due to lack of facilities but they aren't usually singled out as being trans. You need to go and run into unruly football yobs who attack you and beat you up.

This type of attack is much more likely to happen and there are recorded cases on record.

There are also cases of trans men who are raped as well.

There are no known cases of trans women molesting people in womens' restrooms.

If the trans woman used bathroom number three (see my post above), no one would bother her. The idea is to completely accommodate this minority group, just like putting in special ramps for people in wheelchairs. Unless..... you're suggesting that a trans man, woman, or other would feel shame over their designated choice of restrooms? Can't help you there. I guess you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

A trans man is a man. Meet Buck Angel:

http://www.brownpapertickets.com/g/e/418046-250.gif


A trans woman is a woman. Meet Caroline Cossey:

http://i2.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article6127381.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Caroline-Cossey.jpg:

Either everyone is equal before the law or no one is.



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The laws against transgender people peeing where they feel comfortable in my opinion is mostly being done by right wing religious bigots. I know a few TBM Bishops that are doing everything to they can to show what bigots they are towards anyone that is not the 1950's stero type person their God only loves.

It looks like those in the trans community don't want to be accommodated so they can be supported as they are. They just want to force who they are and what they want on to others who are different than them, without respect for everyone else. Give them their own damn bathroom and keep them the hell out of ours (see my posts above). Problem solved! , unless that's not good enough for them. They want to force everyone to see the world their way. That's what the church does. So they can go out and buy some viagra, and a new dress to go with it, use a bathroom designated to match who they are. What's wrong with that?

OK, how about this. Would it make you feel any better if trans people had to go through a medical screening process before receiving legal recognition and legal gender-normative ID:

"This person has been examined by the doctors and psychologists of the State Gender Evaluation Board and is entitled to full legal rights as their professed gender."

This is basically what Magnus Hirschfeld proposed almost a hundred years ago back in the 1920s. Trans people wouldn't like it because it would mean having more hoops to jump through -- how would you like it if you had to appear before a medical board to validate your existence -- but it might make you less fearful of people are no threat to you or your children.


BTW, why do you think a woman (trans or not) would use Viagra? It doesn't work on females and trans women don't want to have male parts.



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News flash:

You have already been in bathrooms next to trans people very often and have never known it. Sorry for bursting your bubble of ignorance.

Lol at the vulgar, uneducated Viagra/dress statement. There are trans men too, you know. You sound hilariously foolish. I'm so glad your kind are dying off. You're the kind of person I wouldn't want around my children.



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