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"Transcript and Audio of the Swedish Rescue fireside. Elder Marlin K. Jensen, LDS Church Historian, and Richard E. Turley Jr., Assistant Church Historian, hold a special fireside to give the best answers they can to Swedish church members that have difficult questions.
2014/04/12 2:20:19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_2Ht4d9R5g
2014/04/12 2:20:19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_2Ht4d9R5g
In this fireside, Marlin Jensen's opening remarks stated that he and Turley were there in Sweden to answer questions and concerns the Swedish people had, as well as the questions many other members throughout the church who had voiced these same questions. He then told them to remember that he and Turley did not hold the keys.
Why did the church handle this concern in this way, by sending people who did not hold the keys? Why did they not just send someone who had the keys and could give definitive answers once and for all for the questions that oh, so many members have, or at least have such a person address in a recording these questions. I see it as an inept, and ultimately, a way to dodge the questions and not to have ultimately answered them.
Holding the fireside in this manner is just another con. A way for the 15 fossils to put up the farce that they are being oh, so caring and responsible when indeed, once again, they are attempting to pull the wool over the peons' eyes.
The Con Game in the cult is what they do best.
Why did the church handle this concern in this way, by sending people who did not hold the keys? Why did they not just send someone who had the keys and could give definitive answers once and for all for the questions that oh, so many members have, or at least have such a person address in a recording these questions. I see it as an inept, and ultimately, a way to dodge the questions and not to have ultimately answered them.
Holding the fireside in this manner is just another con. A way for the 15 fossils to put up the farce that they are being oh, so caring and responsible when indeed, once again, they are attempting to pull the wool over the peons' eyes.
The Con Game in the cult is what they do best.
"Why did the church handle this concern in this way, by sending people who did not hold the keys?"
The only leaders who "hold the keys" are from the Quorum of Twelve and the First Presidency, a.k.a. the Q15.
None of them could stand and give answers, which if they did, would be admitting to the problems of the church and the fact that LDS Inc. has not been 100% honest since its inception. To make any admission of not being 100% honest would damage the office of the Apostle.
This is the same reason none of the apostles have signed the essays.
Tom Phillips is right -- cowards.
The only leaders who "hold the keys" are from the Quorum of Twelve and the First Presidency, a.k.a. the Q15.
None of them could stand and give answers, which if they did, would be admitting to the problems of the church and the fact that LDS Inc. has not been 100% honest since its inception. To make any admission of not being 100% honest would damage the office of the Apostle.
This is the same reason none of the apostles have signed the essays.
Tom Phillips is right -- cowards.
difficult questions ?
To me they seemed like simple questions.
To me they seemed like simple questions.
wishes/guesstimates if only if the correlation committee decides to have a totally open policy to everyone, then q12 + 3 will follow/act accordingly.
I just broke out laughing at the sight (maybe vision I just received?) of all of the 15 Fossils, dressed in whatever the hell they want to, lounging comfortably in their thrones at a General Conference.
It has just been announced that the whole gosh durn session will be open for questions from the members and answers will be joyously and HONESTLY given by those who HOLD THE KEYS. No one is certain how this change came about as well as the new dress code that is glaringly visable, but there is definitely high interest and actual smiling occurring.
It has been stated that not a single question will be allowed to be rewritten by Bednar nor any question held to ridicule and dehumanization by Oaks. Honoring questions as Oaks declared the church does indeed do, will be expected and put to the test.
If any members feel like the 15 Fossils are not responding well and, especially skirting the truth, said members can quickly show them the door and the matter brought up with that person's bishop. Because of this policy change, no one is certain how long the conference will last. It may be very short indeed.
It has just been announced that the whole gosh durn session will be open for questions from the members and answers will be joyously and HONESTLY given by those who HOLD THE KEYS. No one is certain how this change came about as well as the new dress code that is glaringly visable, but there is definitely high interest and actual smiling occurring.
It has been stated that not a single question will be allowed to be rewritten by Bednar nor any question held to ridicule and dehumanization by Oaks. Honoring questions as Oaks declared the church does indeed do, will be expected and put to the test.
If any members feel like the 15 Fossils are not responding well and, especially skirting the truth, said members can quickly show them the door and the matter brought up with that person's bishop. Because of this policy change, no one is certain how long the conference will last. It may be very short indeed.