This appeared on my Facebook feed and since lots of you don't partake, here's what he said, copied and pasted. I'm not sure if he will make it or not.

As being "gay" becomes increasingly synonymous with being against the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I have resolved going forward never to identify myself as such. I have had feelings of attraction toward men in my life, but I will never, ever forsake the gospel of Jesus Christ. Ever. If that means I must be alone, then I will be alone...but I know that I will always have the support of my Heavenly Father and of wonderful friends and Family who love me. This choice to stay true to what I believe is one I have made consciously. I know not everyone in similar situations sees this course of life as a choice for them, and I love each one of my friends for who they are and who they choose to be. I don't ever want there to be a question of the point of empathy that I stand from. Yes, I am a son of God. Yes, I have had and will continue to have trials in life, as every one of us does. No, my choice isn't the only way to go, but is the way for me to go. I love and will continue to hold to the truth!

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He has lots of positive support from friends and family

This just makes me very sad. The cult doesn't care about him. It only wants to tear him down.

I'm sure his family and friends love him very much, but they opt to not-think and defer their empathy to the cult's word. When there is a conflict for this young man where being gay and being active Mormon become mutually exclusive and he has to make a choice, no one gives a damn about walking a mile in his shoes. From their perspective, the devil got him — bummer — oh well — "gay" is one of Satan's most powerful tools — can't be beat. And so they emotionally withdraw from him as he makes up his own mind in his darkest hour and to him it will appear like judgement and like they never loved him at all.

You're right, the cult, the institution and system of beliefs, itself, doesn't give a damn about his feelings. When he's in thst place, all his loved ones can think about, if they can't overcome the cult-ditioning to empathize, is when he will make up his mind whether or not he's on the Lord's side.

Poor guy. There will be more, too.

As being "black" becomes increasingly synonymous with being against the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I have resolved going forward never to identify myself as such. I have had dark pigmented skin all my life, but I will never, ever forsake the gospel of Jesus Christ. Ever. If that means I must be alone, then I will be alone...but I know that I will always have the support of my Heavenly Father and of wonderful friends and Family who love me for pretending to be white. This choice to stay true to what I believe is one I have made consciously. I know not everyone in similar situations sees this course of life as a choice for them, and I love each one of my friends for who they are and who they choose to be. I don't ever want there to be a question of the point of empathy that I stand from. Yes, I am a son of God. Yes, I have had and will continue to have trials in life, as every one of us does. No, my choice isn't the only way to go, but is the way for me to go. I love and will continue to hold to the truth!

He is trying to suppress his being gay. Of course he does not sound "strongly" gay. When people try to deny ore suppress their being gay, they try to minimize their gayness.

He doesn't sound "strongly" homosexual. Or at any rate, he doesn't sound like he's currently in love with anyone. Things often change a bit when you fall in love.

It's when you are sitting at home alone on a Friday evening, when all your Mormon friends are dating or married, that the loneliness creeps in.

Celibacy is like a hunger strike. The urges for sex and companionship only grow stronger the longer you continue. You don't decide once to eschew a relationship; you have to decide every day to deny yourself. It only goes away when you are old and your sex drive and reproductive capacity are dead.

My husband told me that even though he was married, had a sex life with me and we had four children together, what axeldc just described above was exactly what he had to do. Every.single.day.



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And the wives are wondering what the hell is wrong with them, so both are lonely.

How close are you to him? Is he a friend? Make sure he knows happy gay couples. Gays who are normal, happy, not self-oppressed, good law-abiding citizens, kind to others, successful in life, but clearly have a normal sex life. And make sure he also meets gays his own age who are single. Perhaps they could even go to church together, if that helps. In other words, put him on a road to normality.

I don't know him..it was a Facebook post that showed up on the Las Vegas Mormon Support Group. I belonged to it when I lived there and just haven't left the group

I just noticed that his posting has been removed since I saw it earlier today. Maybe he got too much input from lots of different people.

Might want to ask him why his "truth" has no evidence showing it true, and a whole bunch of evidence showing it false...
Which, of course, brings up the question of why he considers it "true...?"
Indoctrination? Ignorance? Self-loathing?
Only he can answer.

Man, I feel sorry for this kid. It's sad how people will deny themselves to be accepted.

Unless he is very young, he has probably already had sex. Everyone around him already knows that he is gay. After all he is ready to talk about it on Facebook. Also, there is something in his wording that makes me think he isn't so young.

From my years of watching the ex-gay movement, the ones who were making these sorts of pronouncements were usually swinging between being pious and being promiscuous.

I wouldn't be suprrised if many of his family and friends read this, roll their eyes, and wonder how long celibacy is going to last this time.

It is so sad, but at a certain point people have to decide to allow themeves to live their lives, rather than letting people around them make all the decisions.

You sound really judgmental for someone who knows next to nothing about this guy. I may not agree with his decision, but leaving your friends, family, and religion behind can be a steep price to pay for being true to yourself. When I came out it wasn't easy. It still isn't. My family is full of TBMs. No one should have to leave the people they love to be who they are.

I don't know this particularly guy, but I have seen so many of these very same guys over and over for so many years that it is hard to ignore the near universal pattern.

I never said that it is easy to come out, but let's face it, he already has come out. That horse is already out of the barn.

As for easy, living a life of constantly suppressing and denying who you are is much harder than accepting oneself and moving forward with an authentic life. He just hasn't figured that out yet. I hope he figures it out sooner rather than later, for his own happiness.

I would be angry if he were condemning other gay people, or trying to force them to make the same decision. The guys who do are real hypocrites.

But yeah, it's much better to accept yourself as you are. It's important to have a support group though. If most of the people in his life want him to stay celibate and in the church then he might need to meet people who support him moving away from it and exploring his sexuality before he feels comfortable leaving. Even then it takes time to get over something you were raised to believe. I don't think you can underestimate the amount of internalized homophobia that a kid can have after being raised in the church.

into their 20s. One of my ex's friends from childhood was celibate until he was 30, working at BYU, and hadn't even acted on his feelings. When he told his bishop, he lost his job at BYU. He blasted out of the closet and ended up getting HIV, though he is doing really well now and is definitely not mormon.

So there are those who are actually celibate. Everyone is different.

It really makes me angry when people act like living a life without companionship and physical affection is no big deal, and pretty much everyone saying that shit is NOT celibate. If a life without a partner and no sex is so great then why aren't those antigay Christians and Mormons celibate?!?

Recently in high priests group they were denigrating gays, and finally I piped up and made a point similar to yours. Specifically, I stated how important and meaningful my relationship with my wife is to me, and that I couldn't fault gays for seeking a similar relationship with someone they love. I also reminded them that the church recently did an about face and acknowledged that being LGBT was genetic rather than a choice. To their credit, the others in the room seemed to consider my comments as something that hadn't occurred to them before, and the tone of conversation changed completely and became much kinder towards LGBTs.

I wonder if this guy will check in after a few years to let everyone know how it's going.

If he sublimates his sexuality and doesn't interact with other gay men, its very likely that he will die alone. And if he's in the closet, there's a very good chance that those around him will never know why (until they find his porn stash). IDK how old he is, but there will be constant pressure from the Morg to marry and raise seed. If he gives in and marries a woman, that'll open up a whole new can of worms. There is no respect for gays in the church, even if he's one of the "good" ones, and stays celibate. The only sane choice for him is apostasy--any way you can work on that?

The Mormon cult is a Hate Group and is guilty of Serial Child Abuse.

They openly abuse and defame all gay children, youth, and adults.

Now they also brazenly segregate the children of gay people from their congregations.

It can take decades to recover from the ptsd caused when a gay person is raised in the Mormon cult.



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