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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: October 03, 2015 06:33PM

In another thread, RfM poster Richard Packham blew the whistle on an ex-Mormon and uber racist who initially wrote me a flurry of off-board emails, in which he told me he left the LDS Church because it wasn't racist enough for him.

Seriously.

Update: That same crazed crank is now posting on the RfM board under the handle “vigilant.” This fellow isn't very sophisticated, since he earlier and openly identified himself to me by name, but apparently thinks he can come here and get away with his anti-Black blatherings by inventing new covers for himself.

Earth to this racist crackpot:

In the course of your earlier emails to me, you repeatedly identified yourself as Russ Walker. In those same emails, you informed me that you were now trolling the RfM discussion board. Read my lips: What a dope.

Richard Packham ended up spotting Wilson's presence on RfM and proceeded to call him out:

“I recognize the OP 'vigilant' as being the same person who has communicated recently in private e-mails with both me and Steve Benson. Steve's comment about him on the thread where he reported the correspondence was that this guy believed the church wasn't racist enough.

“He's an ex-Mormon white supremacist, who would likely not hesitate to use the 'n-' word in his posts if it were not a forbidden word here. (He did use it in his e-mails to me.) Don't humor him.”

(“Re: EQUALITY IS THE GREATEST OF ALL LIES, “ by RPackham, “Recovery from Mormonism” discussion board, 3 October 2015, http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1684713,1684942#msg-1684942)


Nice catch, Richard (By the way, he used the same racial epithet in his emails to me). This sick bloviating bigot “vigilant”/Russ Walker came on to RfM under a post titled, “QUALITY IS THE GREATEST OF ALL LIES,” where he vomited out the following:

--“There is no such thing as equality. It is the greatest of all lies. There is nothing in this world and universe that is equal. Not people, not races, not soils, not elements, not isotopes, not ions, not snowflakes, not fingerprints, not retina scans, not stereo-isomers, not voice prints nor DNA. Not even in mathematics is there equality. 4 = 4 is a lie regardless of what most think. Location or posintion is a characteristic of numbers. The right four is in a different position than the left four, hence inequality. If there is no equality in a pure science such as mathematics then there can be no such thing as equality in anything else.”


--“Sure Obama and I are equal. You live in a dream world. The rich can do anything they want to and get off. the poor always will pay the full price. As Orwell said, ' 'All animals are equal, some more equal than others.' . . . [M]istake: Orwell said, 'All animals are created equal, some more equal than others.'”


--“What makes equality an ideal? It is an aberration that does not exist anywhere except in the misguided minds of socialists.”


--“Deuteronomy 7:6 is a striking voice saying that God has created a system of inequality with the House of Israel (not the Jews) being above all other nations. I did not write it but that is what it says.”

“What most people call 'social' in this society is in fact compulsory typically by government. look at school integration. Was that social in the slightest with police and armed troops in Little Rock in August 1957? Not to me.”


“I guess 4th grade math 4=4 is too hard for you to understand.”

(the above RfM postings from “vigilant”/Russ Walker can be seen here: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?)2,1684713,1684942#msg-1684942)
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Compare “vigilant's”/Russ Walker's racist rants that he has recently posted on RfM with what he personally posted to me in emails under his name “Russ Walker.” (Again, in his emails to me he acknowledges that he has been to the RfM board).

Clearly, he isn't the brightest stone in the Jaredite barge.

The Mormon Church, Wslker told me, just wasn't bigoted enough for him (which he demonstrated proved by penning me me a load of his hateful hang-ups. He admitted to me that he got his racist views (which he says he still cherishes) from the Mormon Church, but reported that he has since moved on to whiter pastures.

(WARNING: Because Walker bat-bitten, rabid rhetoric is a over-the-top rancid, certain words have been deleted as a matter of basic decency and taste).

That said, here goes:

--Walker:

"Steve,

"I have always enjoyed reading your comments even if you and I have a very different perspective. I have a website and [part of it] is about Mormonism. I was a member of the [Mormon] Church for 16 years and there was always friction. I have now been out for 33 years and I now understand it much better than when I was actually a part of it. I believe in what is called Christian Identity. . . . I know more about the endowment than do the Big 15. I was in Salt Lake last week and gave the missionaries on Temple Square a hard time. . . . Please read my page on Mormonism and tell me what you think.

" . . . [T]he following [Bible] verse sets the House of Israel aside as a special group of people above all of the people on the face of the earth.

"Deuteronomy 7:6: 'For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.' . . .

"God was not only a racist but the biggest racist in the universe, since the beginning of time.

"The Mormon missionary program is as false as that of the Southern Baptists, the Roman Catholic Church, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., who go to everyone and do NOT follow Christ's direct instructions. They claim to be Christ's Church but disobey his exact commands. . . .

"Home Teaching -- One of the alleged purposes of Home Teaching is that if the Church wants to bring a message to any family that Home Teachers are the ones to do it. Nonsense. When Spencer Kimball in June 1978 announced to the world that beast-animal-of-the-field [pejorative term for those of African descent deleted] could hold the priesthood, the event was prominently featured on the front pages of US newspapers. 'I change not,' Malachi 3:6. This is another example of the Church changing its policy in violation of the Bible. God Almighty has no reason to change. . . .

"Shortly after the announcement of the priesthood decision regarding [pejorative term for those of African descent deleted], I mentioned [that same pejorative term deleted] to another member of the ward. Within one hour, my Elders Quorum President was at my house. I was polite to him but I should have thrown him out on his ear. I still had Freedom of Speech and Expression whether he or anyone else liked it on not. My family and I were on our way to leaving the Church.

"Decline of the Mormon Church -- Founder, Joseph Smith, and the first 11 presidents of the Church said that God dictated that Negroes could not hold the priesthood. Along comes #12 Spencer Kimball proclaiming that he had received a revelation in 1978 and that the first 11 presidents including Joseph Smith were wrong and that God had changed his mind.

"Apostle Bruce R. McConkie who had famously written (Mormon Doctrine - 1958) in accordance with prior practice, had to turn about face and go along with Kimball. If McConkie had not gone along and played along with Kimball, he would have been excommunicated and thrown out on the street. McConkie was not dumb but he sold his soul that day and for the rest of his life by having to make excuses for the new change. McConkie died at age 68 in 1985.

"Kimball had no idea that admitting beast-animal-of-the-field [pejorative term for those of African descent deleted] to the priesthood would be the route of destruction of the Mormon Church.

"No white civilization or country in history has ever survived the introduction of non-Caucasians. Since 1978 the Church has made numerous changes to the Book of Mormon and in essence repudiated the Pearl of Great Price in order to accommodate the inclusion of black [pejorative term deleted].

"With the entire Endowment Ceremony word-for-word on the Internet, in 2015 it is obvious that the Mormon church is only growing in areas that do not have substantial Internet access, i.e. parts of Latin America, Africa and Asia. It is irreversibly dying in Europe and North America."


Because Walker asked me to tell him what I thought of his ideas, I replied as follows:

"DO NOT WRITE ME AGAIN. You wrote me the following racist garbage:

"'Kimball had no idea that admitting beast-animal-of-the-field [pejorative term for those of African descent deleted] to the priesthood would be the route of destruction of the Mormon church. No white civilization or country in history has ever survived the introduction of non-Caucasians. Since 1978 the Church has made numerous changes to the Book of Mormon and in essence repudiated the Pearl of Great Price in order to accommodate the inclusion of black [pejorative term for those of African descent deleted].'

"You are a being blocked permanently."


**More followed from this bumbling bigot:

--Walker:

"Regarding your blog:

"Steve, after reading your blog to the end. you have extreme hatred towards the Church. I was roughed up and no longer believe but I don't think I have same degree of hatred that you possess, although that is not necessarily a bad thing.

"Two weeks ago I visited the Manti as well as the Salt Lake Temples on a western trip. I visited them as historical and architectural monuments. No, I don't believe a single thing about what goes on in the temples. Destroying temples at least those built in the 19th century would be a destruction of architecture and history. I think on hindsight you might agree with me that these monuments need to remain.

"You appear [to] . . . believe in censorship. Well, in Daniel 12:4, it says that knowledge shall be increased and no one is going to stop it. I think the Internet is absolutely spectacular especially in breaking down the grip that those who believe in censorship used to have."


--My reply:

"I don’t write a blog.

"You are being blocked for being the despicable racist that you are.

"You were also born without a humor gene.

"Leave me alone and DO NOT WRITE ME AGAIN."


--Walker:

"Re your listing of my comments:

"Steve, I was not only surprised but shocked that you published my comments although in somewhat redacted form. For some reason you omitted the entire portion of the 'seed' (Gen 3:15 Moses 4:21 portion of the Endowment). As I said, not one of the Big 15 nor you have any answer on that point.

[Responding to RfM reaction to the content of his racist rants]: "Some other clown stated that 'extreme racism' is a mental problem. Maybe we should lock up or just kill those who have other opinions.

"Steve, are you afraid to say [pejorative term for those of African descent deleted]. Well, they are [same pejorative deleted], aren't they? Some of us are not.

"Incidentally I am never going to block you as I believe in Freedom of Speech and expression."


--My reply:

"For your own good, I deleted your name in reporting your racist rants.

"You writing to me made your letter to me my property. If you don’t want your bigoted spewings given publicity, don’t express them.

"NOW LEAVE ME ALONE. If you don’t stop harassing me, I will take the appropriate action to ensure that you cease and desist."


--Walker:

"Re: McConkie:

"Steve, you never told me how you felt about my comments about McConkie. Unfortunately you and your generation have gone to inferior integrated schools and have been brainwashed about [pejorative term for those of African descent deleted]/. You will live in a dying society and pay the price for your generation's ignorance.

"You might want to read the story of Phineas in Numbers 25 to start to get educated."


--My reply:

"I told you how I felt about you. That is more than sufficient.

"NOW QUIT WRITING ME."

“With Walker having left the Mormon Church, it has lost another one of its white supremacists to another supremacist sect because, according to this malignant malcontent, the Mormon Church's officially racist doctrines weren't racist enough for his tastes.

“As they say, by their fruit loops ye shall know them.

“Once again, the Mormon Church is reminded of the monster it created in the form of its anti-Black sheep. According to this bellyaching bigot, the Mormon God and Joseph Smith had it right and white from the beginning. It was Spencer Kimball, he claims, who turned 'white-and-delightsome' Mormonism to the 'dark' side.

“Mind-twisted Mormonism is historically sick, morally disabled, and terminally infected--no matter how hard it tries to morph into something remotely human and humane . . . “

(“Mailbag Mania: Ex-Mo Joins 'Xtian Identity' Because LDS Not Racist Enough.” by Steve Benson, “Recovery from Mormonism” bulletin board, 1 October 2015, http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1683527,1683527#msg-1683527


In response to my account of my run-in with this ex-Mo racist, Richard Packham replied on this board:

“I have been getting occasional e-mails from this same whacko. I know it is the same guy because some of what you quoted, Steve, is word-for-word what he sent me.

“He wanted to know my opinion about Bruce R. McConkie's racist comments and quoted me that part of his website.

“I told him that Mormon racism did not begin with McConkie - he only documented it. I also suggested to him that his over-the-top racist language was offensive and worse than Mormon racism was. I also told him that the Mormon church's decline was not due to its softening its racist teachings, but to the fact that people now have the Internet to show them that Mormon theology and practices are contradictory, false, and unscientific.

“We'll see if I hear from him again.

“Edit: Too late! He just wrote me back, saying that he had once lived in my state (Oregon) and there were too many race-mixing liberals there to suit his taste.

“I told him I was not interested in hearing from him any more.”

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1683527,1683838#msg-1683838


I responded to Richard:

"My sympathies.

“He complained to me that I had unfairly edited out his argument for what he declared to be God's anti-Black racism which he had made through his 'seed of Cain' scripture quoting.

“I wasn't interested in giving him a lectern to spew his ungawdly gospel based on his quotation of favorite scriptures; rather, I just wanted to quote him on the record puking out his personal racist ramblings. I did the latter and after that he wouldn't leave me alone (although I think I finally managed to get him blocked).

“Hope he doesn't keep bugging you, either."


Undaunted, dingbat Russ Walker went went back up on RfM with this loonyism:

"Wrongful criticism of McConkie.

"I might be critical of Bruce McConkie for various reasons. I believe that all criticism of his choice of a wife is wrong. I know nothing about the woman except she must have been spectacular to put up with him. Someone was going to marry her. Was it her fault that her father was the president of the [Mormon] Church?"


So, he doesn't think McConkie was sufficiently racist, but he liked his wife.

Whatever.n

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Russ has been busted.



Edited 19 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2015 05:11AM by steve benson.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: October 03, 2015 06:51PM

Why do I get the feeling that "vigilant" aka Russ feels like his white and delightsome "race" is now unfairly being denied their ability to rule all the dark and loathsome "races," and he really doesn't like that?

Poor baby.

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Posted by: Eric K ( )
Date: October 03, 2015 06:56PM

I closed that thread once we knew who he was.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: October 03, 2015 07:04PM


Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2015 04:14AM by steve benson.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: October 04, 2015 04:21AM

This Russ guy initially emailed me on my office work computer, which is where those emails are at the moment. So I will defer to your last name identity of him since his screeds to both you and me are essentially the same.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: October 03, 2015 07:10PM

Thanks for the heads-up. That thread was going south so rapidly that I headed in the other direction. My appreciation to all who were on top of things.

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Posted by: ptbarnum ( )
Date: October 03, 2015 08:43PM

Thanks Steve and Richard. So glad I know the screen name and will not provide narcissistic supply to this undesirable.

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Posted by: RPackham(NLI) ( )
Date: October 03, 2015 10:38PM

Actually, he used the name "Walker" not "Wilson" in his e-mails to me.

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Posted by: Itzpapalotl ( )
Date: October 03, 2015 11:30PM

There's the idealists and the promoters.

We have a few here on RfM, but who's who can be a crapshoot to identify sometimes.

Just know and understand the lingo, peeps.

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Posted by: Shummy ( )
Date: October 04, 2015 02:03AM

And when one learns the lingo, there is the report button too peeps.

Trollus mormonus is a new evolving breed.

Hail to the mods who checkmate the chumps.

Richard and Steve are well used to it by now.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2015 02:15AM by Shummy.

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Posted by: poopstone ( )
Date: October 04, 2015 02:27AM

I didn't see any of these posts. But if people are sincere and saying strange things maybe the poster could correct them? And set them in the right direction.

Of course I don't know how bad or inappropriate the posts were. And we all do what we think we should, and I respect that.

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Posted by: imaworkinonit ( )
Date: October 04, 2015 12:11PM

Thanks for the heads up on this. I saw the thread on equality and thought he sounded like one of those crazies who thinks they are geniuses.

I wasn't in the mood to respond. Those types never listen, anyway. They just want to spew their bile over everyone else, and I didn't have a hazmat suit on.

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