Mormons make up 1.8 of the USA population,yet make 1 in every 5 FBI agents and recruits.Why is this the case?I believe Mormons succeed at CIA careers because of missionary language training and the abilty to be tight lipped with regard to temple ceremonies and garment etc.

They love to spy on people. Just look at the strengthening the members committee.

Good reasons, yes, but I'm surprised the FBI isn't worried about their crazy beliefs! Along the lines of Bill Mayer having concerns about a US senator that believes in talking snakes!

They are easily controlled and obey all orders.

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> They are easily controlled and obey all orders.

Yep.
Several government agencies recruit heavily among mormons, especially RMs.
Because they are big on obeying authority, have learned to obey without question, are considered "honest," and very often get off on having a job with "authority." Foreign language skills are a bonus, too.

They know how to obey without question.

They are more likely to have a squeaky clean background (no drug experimentation etc.) and so can pass the background check and lie detector test. Try getting through college, including at least a masters degree if not more, and never even try pot. An additional language can help, but they are mostly looking for languages that missionaries don't learn or don't learn well.

During graduation at Quantico, they tell the background of these men and women. I was surprised at the number or lawyers, a couple of accountants, a Navy Seal, a few with computer backgrounds. This is out of a class of 50. Yes, some are Mormon. They don't say that, but sometimes you can tell. I met a Catholic. My son is an Atheist. He did not join because he likes to "spy on people." I can't tell you too much.

Mormons as FBI agents because they were squeaky clean (no criminal records and no substance abuse), didn't show up to work drunk (word of wisdom) nor late to work, and are clean cut. They were picture perfect for Hoover.

The CIA loves Mormons because of their language training and immersion in foreign countries due to missionary service.

Hiring Jo Blow off the street and sending him to a CIA training center to learn a language and be taught a country's customs doesn't compare to having a Mormon whom had boots on the ground for two years.

Is there any corroboration for the 20% statistic?

I don't know if it's exactly 20%, but there are a significant number. I know the non-Mormons have a nickname for the Mormons. They hang together. There are not nearly as many Mormons in the CIA as there once was, I have heard. As for the FBI and DEA, they are often in the same building complex and work closely. I have been to family day with both present. I had the feeling the numbers were similar. Can't say if it were 20% but maybe 10-20, would have to ask. I guess it wouldn't hurt to say their nickname: the M-squad.

Relatively few recruited to the FBI actually have law enforcement background any longer. By that I mean, they weren't street cops first. That's probably because the nature of their job has changed. They spend more time on paperwork and cybercrime than what you see on TV. So, they are more likely to have backgrounds that reflect that. That said they have a VERY tough physical fitness test to get into to the FBI. Many fail. It includes running, push ups, pull ups, the usual. However, the time limit and form required to do all of this and the number required makes it tough. The other thing is a surprising number (at least to me) get to Quantico having no gun experience. Never having fired a gun. My son was not one of those. He did say that they are VERY good at training them to shoot very well. They also go to the range at least every month to qualify. I wish I had access to their training.



My son has never been Mormon. He was blessed as an infant and BIC since I was married in the temple. He has cousins that are Bishops, but he has never been baptized nor attended since he was so young that he barely remembers even once walking in the door of a Mormon church. He has never been read a Bible story, let alone know what the BOM is. I am explaining that to explain that he says the "squeaky clean" Mormons or any other religiously sheltered group can be a detriment. Some of them are so sheltered they have no real life experience. They have lived in a bubble. Even their so-called foreign experience wasn't real life. Like when he worked gangs and did drug buys, that was something they had a hard time pulling off in a believable fashion. They are just too hung up. They have no experience with different groups of people.

Ok, all you doubters about there being a disproportionate number of Mormons in the FBI. I can not give you a percentage, but it is more than their percentage in the US population. You can doubt me if you want, I am not going to show FBI credentials. When you work for the FBI you prioritize the city/office you want to be transferred to. This would include the large offices like Los Angeles, Seattle, DC, Atlanta, Dallas, Phoenix, Boston, Etc. This is based on seniority. You have your top choice and eventually sometime before your mandatory retirement age you hope to end up there. Hopefully near family is often the case. Well, guess what is one of the offices that is on the top of so many agent's lists that it is very very hard to get? One guess. Salt Lake City. My son thought that would would be hell, so he did not want to go there and knew he would not ever get it with all the Mormons fighting for it. And he hasn't. So one more urban legend for you.

Why do a disproportianat number of Mormons have a penchant for a federal law enforcement career?The selection process is exceedingly tough and competetive.Why are so many interested competitive in the physical demands of being a cop or agent?

Are there just as many Mormons in ATB or DEA or Federal Marshalls?

It's not that confusing because most people going into law enforcement have a mission, they tend to want to make the world a better place.

Many former military go into law enforcement because they have a lot in common with it which includes the ability to obey orders, are disciplined, and find a purpose in serving a higher authority.

Compare the above military reference to Mormons: They obey order, are disciplined, and find a purpose in serving God.`

Mormons lie and they are really good at it. That's why.

It is because of the background check, like many have inferred here. With a clean background, and former missionary training, many Mormon's fit right in with the FBI.

I have a close friend who is a police chief of a medium-sized city. He said that it is difficult to find new officers to hire because with new applicants there is a nearly 80% fail rate with the background checks.

The reason is that they are good at marching in lock step with those appointed over them and they are good at deception.

I knew an IRS agent that was called to the bishopric. When people realized that he was a revenuer they refused to meet with him. I think he lasted almost 5 months before he was released.

My TBM brother was in a high ranking Naval intelligence unit for 8 years, when he met his CIA wife at a church dance in Washington DC.

He was taught under order to kill his partner, and his partner was to kill him, if ever they were to be caught by the enemy (whoever that was at the time.)

Rather than divulge any trade secrets. And that he would have to carry his "top secret" classified knowledge to his grave.

He and his wife couldn't discuss shop with each other, according to them. However, he has been very dishonest over the years, so I don't believe him as to his degree of honesty or level of loyalty.

He's loyal only to himself. When our dad died, he and my other TBM brother both perjured themselves they were the only living siblings to inherit a few thousand more of dad's life insurance. Stupid is as stupid does. The life insurance agents like myself called their bluff.

One of my nephews was/is a FBI agent. His identical twin couldn't pass the security background because he married a Korean, and worked in S Korea for a time. They're very thorough on who they hire, or at least try to be.

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He was taught under order to kill his partner, and
> his partner was to kill him, if ever they were to
> be caught by the enemy (whoever that was at the
> time.)

I'm sorry, but this is incorrect. I worked in this field and NEVER were we told to kill our partner. I'm afraid your TBM relative is lying, but it makes for a fascinating story.

> One of my nephews was/is a FBI agent. His
> identical twin couldn't pass the security
> background because he married a Korean, and worked
> in S Korea for a time. They're very thorough on
> who they hire, or at least try to be.

This is incorrect, also. South Korea is one of our allies. Your nephew's twin would not have been rejected for service as an FBI agent for marrying a Korean and working in South Korea. There has to be more to the story than you were told.

Former Tech Groupy Wrote:
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> amyjo Wrote:
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> He was taught under order to kill his partner,
> and
> > his partner was to kill him, if ever they were
> to
> > be caught by the enemy (whoever that was at the
> > time.)
>
> I'm sorry, but this is incorrect. I worked in
> this field and NEVER were we told to kill our
> partner. I'm afraid your TBM relative is lying,
> but it makes for a fascinating story.

How the hell do you know what unit my brother worked in? What makes you a know-it-all? You weren't there! He was under orders to kill his partner, as was his partner to kill him *if* caught by the enemy, rather than spilling defense secrets.

And note, I didn't say what department he worked in.


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> > One of my nephews was/is a FBI agent. His
> > identical twin couldn't pass the security
> > background because he married a Korean, and
> worked
> > in S Korea for a time. They're very thorough on
> > who they hire, or at least try to be.
>
> This is incorrect, also. South Korea is one of
> our allies. Your nephew's twin would not have
> been rejected for service as an FBI agent for
> marrying a Korean and working in South Korea.
> There has to be more to the story than you were
> told.

Who the hell makes you an authority on this too? You weren't there, and you weren't the one passing the security background check.

There are requirements in place today for the very same things you say there aren't. So I know you aren't making any sense.

I've read the FBI requirements myself for passing security background checks, and there are some foreign countries that rule people out. Asian countries are prominent, including South Korea.

If it has changed since my nephew got his job working with the FBI, that may be so. It's been 30 years now that he's been working there. A lot may have changed in the interim. Still, I have read some of the same requirements for the FBI in just the past several years. So if it has changed, it has been fairly recently.

As for my brother and his department. Nah, I believe what he believed. They were under strict orders to kill themselves if caught by the enemy. Their work was that highly classified. He had the highest level security clearance possible for the work he was involved with. There wasn't any higher clearance than his.



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I had a LDS friend who work on some super top secret stuff in 'Nam and was ferried from mountaintop to mountaintop doing his top secret stuff that our Asian "friends" would have liked to learn about. He had a marine escort everywhere he went and one day he commented about how he appreciated this marine watching out for his safety. The marine replied that he was there to make sure that if things got bad he didn't get captured alive by the enemy. So the story of killing oneself instead of being captured sounds plausible but if he was really that important he would have had that special "escort." As for that highest security clearance, I had one of those when I was in the Navy because I had more steaming time with the Russian navy doing the type of work we did back in the day and to get into some areas onboard the ship you needed that clearance. Fun times!

more slickly than Bill Clinton.

I once worked for a TBM tax attorney doing corporate returns. I had concerns about the way our team was doing the returns. His response?

"I *guess* you could call it fraud."

No, a**hat. It's either fraud or not.

Did I mention he was 1st Counselor in a bishopric?

Sounds like the LDS CPA my wife worked for until he fired her when we left the church.

I worked at a large conservative corporation outside the morridor that loved to hire Mormons. People in HR joked about it.

They follow orders, work hard, and don't question authority. Creative thinking isn't required for a lot of corporate jobs.

Where are the statistics on this?>

"Mormons are disproportionately represented in the CIA. A recruiter told the Salt Lake Tribune that returned Mormon missionaries are valued for their foreign language skills, abstinence from drugs and alcohol, and respect for authority."

http://www.businessinsider.com/11-surprising-things-you-didnt-know-about-mormons-2011-6#ixzz3ip3yd8y2

You just quoted a statement in the Salt Lake tribune regarding

the amounts of mormons in the CIA... the OP is stating that

there is a signifigant amount in the FBI. I asked if he had

something to substantiate that. I believe the CIA and the FBI

are two seperate entities. I did a search on percentage of

Mormons in the FBI and so far have come up with nothing other

than someone stating that it's an Urban legend.
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The OP also mentioned the CIA. Just validating his comment whith waht a CIA recruiter said about it.

Yeah I got that JoJo... I was just asking for some substantiation

on what he/she said about the FBI, not the CIA.

The only thing I can find about it is just anecdotal reports of old ex FBI agents who say that presidents like Hoover liked to recruit mormons and other similar stories, but no statistics.

Example from a retired FBI agent:
"The FBI has a large number of agents who are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In one office of 20 agents where Wright worked, five were LDS.

"(J. Edgar) Hoover liked LDS people," Wright said of the agency's first director.

Many LDS FBI agents have language skills useful to the bureau from serving missions in foreign countries, and "they aren't likely to drink and smash up our cars," Wright said."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705377205/Retired-LDS-FBI-agent-recalls-career-in-new-autobiography.html?pg=all

I am thinking what is perhaps obvious to me... the pay in the FBI is not bad at all.. this equals more $$ for the CULT so it does attract CULTers.

One of my very TBM Ricks dorm mates from Rupert, Idaho was going to be a shop teacher and then years later I found out he did a whole career in the FBI.

Ron Burr

I have a theory that the Mormon church had run its course but that the FBI took interest and the leadership has done a deal to utilise the LDS church for american interests.

Think about it.

What does a country utilise in order to colonise the world? Foreign aggression, diplomacy and, back in the day, they also used religion.

I believe the church has a political agenda. It was sent across the world at a time when american culture and the 'dream' was idolised in third worlds and the middle east.

Some comments I've heard spoken by top GA's and leaderships:

The top Q15 have said that the purpose of the church is to "make bad men good and good men better."

"You'd never believe the friends we have and who supports what we do. The highest people in government'.

The church has a sophisticated brainwashing technique. It has psychological holds over its members - for a religion, that's quite something else. It has missionaries in countries it shouldn't.

I think Russia are on to something. I think the LDS church is not only a fraud but is also a cover for the FBI. What better to try out mass propaganda and brainwashing techniques than to do it through the cover of a billion dollar international sect?

And bonus points - we get to convert our enemies to our american culture and way of doing things, whilst being in their countries and spying on their governments.

your tinfoil hat is slipping, might want to adjust it.