so does the fact that the last two deaths in the apostleship also happened to be the two most vocal and insensitive opponents of the LGBT community have any significance?

There would/will be some who would/will say that!


I remember way back when, when HBL only lasted less than a conference period, there were many who said it was because he was trying to take the church in a different direction.

I was too young to be following such trivia and had no idea what it was all about.


When HWH died, I remember thinking that he must've upset someone, and was partially relieved that he was 'removed'.

Oh, and yeah, when Benson was senile, I believed that it was because he was too 'forward' to properly lead. So God was protecting us and being 'kind' to the old man. Oh, I was so blind.

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There would/will be some who would/will say that!
>
>
> I remember way back when, when HBL only lasted
> less than a conference period, there were many who
> said it was because he was trying to take the
> church in a different direction.
>
> I was too young to be following such trivia and
> had no idea what it was all about.
>
>
> When HWH died, I remember thinking that he must've
> upset someone, and was partially relieved that he
> was 'removed'.
>
> Oh, and yeah, when Benson was senile, I believed
> that it was because he was too 'forward' to
> properly lead. So God was protecting us and being
> 'kind' to the old man. Oh, I was so blind.

"God's prophets" have been leading people astray since 1830. Like all the rest, the two most recently removed "prophets" should have been removed long ago.

What they don't say is "when." I mean, did Packer just die because God removed him? Or did he live to be 90 because he was one of God's chosen? If God is going to "remove" him, when would he do it? Immediately, or only after the guy has done quite enough damage during his tenure?

Although, Packer might have thought himself as some sort of "President of the Quorum" --What does that mean to the TBMs or Missionaries out in the field or the local leaders? He can't receive inspiration or revelation for the church, He can't appoint new apostles or seventies, He basically is like the US Vice-President; just sort of there for soundbites and in case something does happen to the President of the church.

Also he was a symbol for the more open minded, liberal apostles and saints and what they don't want to become or sound like.

So LUCKILY Gawd in her wisdom removed him before he could do any more damage. His speeches and talks did enough.



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If there ever was a movie that adapted the premise of Olympus Has Fallen to the Mormon church, I'm sure packer would have played the equivalent role of Morgan Freeman as Speaker of the House. He might have killed it, but we'll never know now.

Joseph Smith dictates section 132 of the D&C on July 12, 1843.

Section 132 tells Emma to accept polygamy or she will be
destroyed. She never accepts it and lives to a ripe, old age.

But less than a year later Joseph is dead at age 37.

One could argue that God guided the bullets the mob fired that day.

Fantastic point.

No. As comforting as the thought might be, it is magical thinking. Death is the inevitable result of life.

You can take comfort in that were the church true, they would have been (be) much more afraid of spewing their hatred. They clearly had no calling to love others as they loved themselves, no god-gifted authority to lead others.