Just wondering if there was any training, and if it covered any "What to do if someone..." scenarios.

Curious if there is any mention of what to do if someone tries to illicitly enter, if someone becomes disruptive, if someone keels over, etc.



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I was a veil worker but didn't have to deal with anyone except at the veil. We were just instructed to listen and correct or help the person at the veil if needed.

A temple worker must have more training and commit to be there one day a week. I figured one day when I got older I would like to do that, but now, I get sick of thinking of all the wasted hours those temple workers give up. All that volunteer work for dead people while the living people around them suffer.

You didn't ask for random stories....but my grandparents were actors in the live ceremony at SLC temple. One time they mid-performance, the actor playing Elohim keeled over, dead.

So, a man died (heart attack) and his body is removed by paramedics....and then a replacement was brought in...and the ceremony continues! Are you kidding me???

The show must go on!

I asked my grandmother about her reaction to that event and she said, 'it was the longest temple ceremony I ever attended'.

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To which I hope you responded "I'll bet it was even longer for the dead guy."

Did they check the paramedics' recommends before they were allowed in?

So God actually DIED in the temple? WOW!

The Las Vegas temple experienced a fatality once (that I am aware of). One of the attendees in an endowment session bought it mid-ceremony and an ambulance was called. Two EMTs entered the temple and the ordinance room. Turns out one of them was actually a card-carrying member. The other one must have had his mind totally blown that day.

My mind has an image of the cops coming in and stretching "Crime Scene -- Do Not Cross" yellow tape around the stage. "Spiritual Crime Scene," maybe?

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SERIOUSLY???

It's asked below, but I remember overhearing the man at the front desk at the St. George Temple telling someone else they wouldn't allow paramedics to go inside the temple without the temple president being present.

Who wants to know?

I can still remember most of both the old and the "new" endowment, particularly the veil ceremony.

Worker: What is that?
Patron: The Second Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood, the Patriarchal Grip or "Sure Sign of the Nail."

Worker: Has it a name?
Patron: It has.

Worker: Will you give it to me?
Patron: I cannot. I have not yet received it. For this purpose I have come to converse with the Lord through the veil.

Worker: You shall receive it upon the Five Points of Fellowship through the veil.

>>>.) inside of right foot by the side of right foot, 2.) knee to knee, being careful not to slide your knee up the woman's thigh 3.) breast to breast, 4.) hand to back, and 5.) mouth to ear.<<<

Worker: This is the name of the token: "Health in the navel, marrow in the bones. Strength in the loins and in the sinew. Power in the priesthood be upon me and upon my posterity through all generations of time and throughout all eternity." What is that?

See? I may have done it without mistakes.

You did good! Sad how that is ingrained in us.

I also remember the throat slitting/disemboweling dialogue. I always pictured that after my "bring your thumb quickly across your body" and then watching my bowels fall to the floor. Too bad though that it was after my head fell off from my throat being slit from left ear to right. I think I had perfect form when going through the slitting motion, so god was proud.



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Question..

So the temple worker behind the veil pressing his body against the 'patron' through the veil at the 5 points???


That's super weird and creepy!

yes, the five points of fellowship was done "through the veil".
This link will show the five points of fellowship as done by the masons (scroll down about halfway)

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/dun/dun04.htm

I asked my friend the temple worker if they learned any of the deep dark secrets. No. They practice endlessly to learn the endowment by memory.

He did find unused rooms that were great for taking a nap.

In the Oakland temple there are back stairs and elevators. If a patron has medical issues, she can be hustled out of sight to the ground floor. At the back of the building is a vestibule or airlock with double doors. An ambulance can back up to these doors and medics can start on the patient without actually entering the temple.

Would be curious to know if someone sneaked into the holy of holies.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_of_Holies_(LDS_Church)

I never knew the holy of holies had a huge stained glass image of the first vision. Even as a TBM, would you have ever thought that this is what God/Jesus would want to look at in his most sacred place on earth?

I'm sure "prophets", over the years, have entered that room many times, stared at that image, and desperately pleaded, tears in their eyes, for a similar visitation. Nothing ever came, so they shrugged their shoulders and mumbled, "eh, I'm sure I'm still a prophet...maybe next time!" Decades later, "What have I done!...Man, I'm going to hell!"

Is it handicap accessible for President Monson's wheelchair (or, as the case may be, gurney)?

This from the wikipedia page about the 'holy of holies' room

"Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, stated that "no one can truly say he knows God until he has handled something, and this can only be done in the Holiest of Holies".[7]"

So Joe Smith said it's only place one can know God? What about his visitations in the woods? If deep in the woods, in nature, is where Joe was able to make 'first contact' :) Then why isn't nature and forests in particular the sacred place that prophets should go? Why isn't nature more revered in general by Mormons?

I think Myron Whatshisbucket was. But I'm sure it lost all it's luster after you had a barrier between God and the women.

Not one myself, but I have known a few who were. One especially was a pain in the butt. He made it a point to boast of his temple working whether the occasion presented itself OR NOT, and mostly not.

I am curious if t- workers get tired and bored of going to the temple and doing the same rote thing over and over, ya know kinda like church meetings, but are too indoctrinated to ever admit this. I've never heard any complaints along this line.

I was a temple worker and it did get boring. I worked the evening shift and the best shifts were when I was assigned to initiatory and there were no patrons. I was able to just sit back with the other ladies and chit chat.

Apparently it not only gets boring but stressful. My mom told me of a female temple worker SLAPPING a temple goer IN THE FACE because the temple goer was being too loud!!

My mom didn't approve of the behavior but she clearly forgave it and still did not see any flaws in the system itself, just 'imperfect members.'

I remember one from Las Vegas, he was also the patriarch. Fenton Tobler was his name. He was such a pompous man and forever quoted Nibley. What a pain in the rear he was. He sure loved an audience and as Sealer in the temple, he got plenty of opportunity to drag and drone through the sealing ceremony. Agghhhhh.

Satan did his tempting, then gets kicked off the set. The crowd gets to put on aprons and learn about the garment and a token of the Priesthood. We go the world room and the play starts again. Satan is suppose to enter. We wait and we wait. No Satan.

In those days the live actor wore a bclck suit. Seems the guy playing Satan, went home after the first act. They had to find him in the parking lot and get his redressed and bring him back.

It was the longest session I ever attended.For some reason they could not have someone fill in in the live sessions.

oxygen tank, medical kit, a cot, and yes, it had a separate door to the outside in case an ambulance was needed. The room (although simply an additional room in the temple) was considered to not be a dedicated portion of the temple so paramedics were allowed inside if necessary. The electronics technician was a paramedic. We were told to contact him if the need arose. If possible we were to get the sick person to this special room so the paramedics didn't have to go into the sacred portions of the Dallas temple.

My DH worked for DOD and walked right into the temple flashing his badge one day because he had to interview someone for a government clearance. LOL. The people at the recommend desk had to let him pass and enter the temple itself looking for the person. He is a non-member. This occurred at the Washington, D.C. temple.

I was escorted inside the Logan temple to do some HVAC work.

I was living in MD in the mid 80's when a SWAT team had to enter the Washington DC Temple due to a gunman in there. I cannot remember if the temple had to be rededicated or not but I don't think it was, IIRC. I am sure someone can fill in the details of what happened.

Our old HS Basketball coach who was nailing his secretary while she was a Senior(& he was still married) divorced his wife after the secretary graduated - and married the secretary.

He became a Temple worker in Manti some years later. Guess Adultery is actually OK?

Many in school and the community knew what was going on but when you win a State Title at South Sevier High School you can get away with anything.

Still know some members who will not go to the temple when Coach Roundy was working.

As I recall, you have to wait five years after you have repented and been blessed with your rebaptism or had fulfilled your repentance plan if disfellowshipped, etc. before you can serve as a temple/ordinance worker again.

He probably cleared his five year mark.

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I was an ordinance worker less than a year ago, and they did train us for certain types of situations, mostly involving medical emergencies or problems with equipment. There was a security team in case of people becoming disruptive or violent, and there was a trained paramedic in case of medical problems.

On a side note, I still have the whole fucking initiatory memorized and can't get the stupid thing out of my head (though I could officiate for anyone who wants to be endowed just to have the experience; I even have a real new name for you that would be accepted as legitimate :).

I was a veil worker in the Atlanta Temple.

Incredible waste of time and brain cells.

I still remember practically all the wording.

Sheesh, how pathetic.

Did you do the 5 points of fellowship and all that, or was that before your time. Just so you know, I NEVER did the auxiliary 6th point of fellowship, but I did have guys accidentally knee my crotch.

You worked in the Atlanta Temple?

Who knows -- you might have carried me through the veil ...

Did anyone see Spirits or Ghosts? A lot of people say they have seen them in the temple.

Worked poolside at the baptismal font, making sure all the kids herded through from the local ward MIAs were completely dunked for the dead.

That gig didn't last long. I kept falling asleep (seriously) and, besides, had a ton of schoolwork to do.

(At the same time, my parents--who thought I should concentrate on my schoolwork--nonetheless wanted me to accept the invitation from my eventual brother-in-law, Marty Reeder, to run as his veep on the ASBYU presidential ticket. I turned it down, citing my homework load, adding that his proposed ticket wouldn't fly with students who weren't impressed with Mormon family "royalty" running student affairs. So Marty picked another sidekick--and they won).

Meanwhile, I was freed up from my dead-dunk detail and managed to graduate with decent grades.

I owe it all to Lucifer.



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I knew a lady who said she hoped when her time came, she'd be doing a temple session. For some reason she thought she'd get special treatment on the other side. She was wacky. Turns out she died from dementia while in a rest home.

Just before leaving for my mission I was in the Salt Lake Temple and during the session this guy starts screaming and holding his hands on both sides of his head runs out the back of the telestial room. I found out a few days later a guy on my floor in Deseret Towers was his brother and that he had died of a brain aneurysm. Must have shared a temple secret and suffered his life to be taken!

I was numerous times. I thought it made me look good. I'd also done it in the Manti temple before my mission, and when we went to the temple during mission language temple, I used to impress the lads and sister missionaries by bringing them through the veil.

I've never been a veil or temple worker, but I know the Hokey Pokey.

Is that close enough?

Well, that's what it's all about, anyway.

Never did. But was baffled by the locks on the lockers in the changing room.

My dad was a heating and sheet metal guy, and the company he worked for got a contact to do some work on new construction on Temple Square. This was in about 1962-63, I don’t remember exactly. He and my mom had just started being TBM’s about that time, so he was able to get a recommend to work in the temple part of it.

I have no clue what kind of work they did, but he did end up with 2 pieces of granite from the original temple wall and they both had the wooden pegs that showed how they were built. Since they had been taken out, he was able to show them off to anyone who wanted to see them.

I don’t know what happened to those stones, but I’m guessing my TBM brother has them. I should ask him to at least take some pictures of them. But also not sure why I care ☹

I was a Veil Worker for a while. During that time, I was struggling with my testimony. I hoped that working in the Temple would strengthen my testimony because of all the spiritual experiences I'd encounter. It never happened. As a Veil Worker, I felt like I was just herding a bunch of sheeple through the veil. It was mind numbing boring and monotonous. I never witnessed any kind of spiritual experience.

However, I did find out some troubling information that pretty much blew apart any testimony I had left about temple work. After working there awhile, I noticed that many of the names and time periods of the dead looked simular. I asked the Veil Supervisor if there was a problem. He admitted to me that, sometimes, the Temple runs out of names and they have to reuse the names. I became upset and said, "But what about doing temple ordinances for the dead? It doesn't make sense if we repeat the same ordinances for deceased people who already have it done." He replied, "Brother, don't let this upset you. The main reason for the temple is to do ordinances for the living and to give the patrons an opportunity to frequently return to the temple."

Needless to say, Discovering this disturbing fact took away my desire to work in the temple or do work for the dead again. The next Sunday, I told my Stake President to immediately release me from my temple calling.

Like I suspected. Just 'busy work' to keep members even more occupied (than usual with all the church callings, meetings and large families!), particularly with brain numbing repetitive ludicrous rituals.

The temple is nothing but the highest form of indoctrination and control the cult has.

It's sad. I used to believe it was a holy special place and one day I'd be 'worthy' of entering and I'd have incredible spiritual experiences there. (And my idea of spiritual experience had a lot to do with supernatural experience.. like seeing angels or other spirits or just feeling supremely 'uplifted.)

I only ever ended up going a couple of times for baptisms. And they were disappointing (except that I have always loved water so didn't mind the baptizing part). Didn't feel as 'spiritual' as I had hoped. But again I always thought that the other 'more special' rooms would be different and 'holier.'

To me holy temples (if there are such things) should be a place for quiet reflection and mediation. Somewhere you can relax and be at peace.

After I left 'the faith' and wasn't happy with going to other churches either. I found that I felt much more at peace and spiritually uplifted by walking the woods or other natural places alone.

I thought if there is a God, God would be in these natural settings (aren't they after all 'his' creations?) than in man made buildings like churches and temples.

It's truly disgusting how flippantly the Brethren issue policies and edicts that waste and burn up thousands of man hours of the time of the faithful i.e. repeating temple names for ordinance work.

This makes one wonder what percentage of temple work since the inception was been repeated. I would not be surprised if 25% of it is double or triple duty.

Can you imagine an official LDS announcement that temple work is on a temporary hiatus due to no names to be processed?

Performing washings and anointings on all the Missionaries they sent over from the MTC every day. I was very adamant about performing the anointing of the loins in the "correct" manner,and was really feeling the spirit until somebody noticed I wasn't using olive oil but KY jelly, and I that I wasn't a real Temple worker--let alone a Mormon. I'm not allowed back in Utah.

With all the new changes inside the temple they will probably need less temple workers.