saucie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A Bakery on Facebook decided over a year ago not > to make > > wedding cakes for Gays or Lesbians. So now its > going out > > of business... gee... Boo fucking Hoo. I feel so > bad for them. > > Thats what hate gets you.
A point such people seem to not notice: they're demanding the "freedom" to impose their religious beliefs on others in a public-accomodation business. They forget that others are free to not use their business at all if they disagree with that stance. Poor babies.
ificouldhietokolob Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > saucie Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > A Bakery on Facebook decided over a year ago > not > > to make > > > > wedding cakes for Gays or Lesbians. So now its > > going out > > > > of business... gee... Boo fucking Hoo. I feel > so > > bad for them. > > > > Thats what hate gets you. > > A point such people seem to not notice: they're > demanding the "freedom" to impose their religious > beliefs on others in a public-accomodation > business. They forget that others are free to not > use their business at all if they disagree with > that stance. > Poor babies.
Exactly!!!!!!! They seem to have this giant sense of entitlement... and then they are shocked when others don't agree.
If Hoosiers serve pizza at weddings this means that maybe there really are not gays in Indiana. A gay wedding would be catered well and if gay friends came and found pizza they would slap their married friend straight.
By saying what she did, Ms. O'Connor opened her establishment up to other people's thoughts. Yes, she is entitled to say she won't serve gay couples who might want pizza for their wedding (though why they would is beyond me); on the other hand, we can decide not to frequent her establishment if we live near her. We can frequent other pizzerias or other food establishments instead.
And as far as for a wedding, I ask again: why would a gay couple (or any couple for that matter) want to cater it with pizza?
than shutting down the business of anyone who can't correctly answer that all important question: "would you be willing to cater a gay wedding?" We all know that no pizzeria was ever actually asked to cater a gay wedding, but it's a great way to flush out anyone who may not approve of gay marriage.
It's irrelevant if they have no history of bias or prejudice. Remember, there is no such thing as simply not approving of gay marriage. There is only hate.
We must find these haters wherever they dwell and expose them. The business owners will be the easiest targets, so let's start with them. But we must eventually find them in any sort of employment and pressure their employers to fire them. Hiring someone so filled with hate that they hesitate to approve of gay marriage is the same as opposing it yourself. If you run a business that has employees on staff who have not pledged support for gay marriage, be prepared. We'll flood your phones with phony orders, we'll attack your suppliers and intimidate them if they continue to provide whatever materials you need to run your business. You simply cannot offer a safe haven for haters and expect that the taint will not rub off on you.
Once we have located and rendered unemployable these haters, perhaps then the world will understand the true value of tolerance and diversity.
Tall Man, Short Hair Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > than shutting down the business of anyone who > can't correctly answer that all important > question: "would you be willing to cater a gay > wedding?" We all know that no pizzeria was ever > actually asked to cater a gay wedding, but it's a > great way to flush out anyone who may not approve > of gay marriage.
The owners shut down the business -- nobody else did. They're free to have their opinions. Everybody is free to disagree with them, and not go to their business.
The majority in this country have finally reached the point where they're sick and tired of religious-inspired bigotry, and they're not going to support people who spout it. Too bad for business owners who lose customers over it. Trying to shift the blame as you did is very sad.
ificouldhietokolob Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > The owners shut down the business -- nobody else > did. > They're free to have their opinions. Everybody is > free to disagree with them, and not go to their > business. > > The majority in this country have finally reached > the point where they're sick and tired of > religious-inspired bigotry, and they're not going > to support people who spout it. > Too bad for business owners who lose customers > over it. > Trying to shift the blame as you did is very sad.
No argument here. We just need to be bit more determined about this. There have been no reported incidents of actual bias or discrimination against gay couples in Indiana, so we need push this further into the arena of people attitudes and thoughts.
As with this pizzeria, they never catered a wedding and never will. They never did a single thing that could be construed as bigoted or homophobic. This is the beauty of posing a hypothetical to them. They were caught off guard, and forced to reveal their inner bigotry. And this is what we must learn to combat.
We can't rely upon the unfettered free market to punish these cretans sufficiently. We'll mobilize nationally to clog their phone lines, threaten their suppliers, and post hundreds of false reviews online. If we just allow the local market to work, they may actually have devoted clientele who will step up to support them. We need to work to counteract this.
We face a challenge in this. This is why we must continue to compare this struggle to that of black Americans. Where they continue to face documented acts of bigotry and bias daily, the actual instances of such against gay Americans is barely a blip on the radar. But as long as we can continue to invoke such things as Jim Crow laws, and cite how Nazis murdered gays, we will have greater momentum.
The only way we can overcome the actual absence of specific acts against the gay community is to uncover the inner thoughts and hidden bigotry among us. We need to scour twitter feeds, facebook pages and the churches and mosques. When we find anyone who fails to support gay marriage, we'll get to work attacking whatever sources of income they may have. We need to be diligent about this until we can convince these bigots that tolerance and diversity is not optional in our free and open society.
Understanding tolerance and diversity is not the same as condoning discrimination and loss of equal protection under the law. There are some things that should not be tolerated.
Devoted Exmo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Understanding tolerance and diversity is not the > same as condoning discrimination and loss of equal > protection under the law. There are some things > that should not be tolerated.
No argument here. If we allow a pizzeria to entertain the possibility of declining to cater a gay wedding, where will this end? It could well spread to other cuisines including pastas and perhaps even take out Chinese. These hateful bigots must be stopped before they can do any further damage. Anyone who openly engages the possibility of bowing out of catering a gay wedding must be called to account for such depravity. Oppression must answered regardless of what food group is involved.
This pizzeria non news event is not anti gay bigotry. They dont cater to anyone. Pizzas are not at a wedding. Straw man premise. Plenty of gays can by pizza from them with no problem. If you bought 50 pizzas for your wedding and picked them up yourself there probably is no issue.
If people want their rights then they must respect that others have their own conscience too. free market decides all things. This is a stupid story and the 2 to 5% uber activists are harassing peoples lively hood. If you dont live in the pizzeria city the issue dones nit have any effect on your life.
No, this is not about pizza, it's about codifying into the laws that business have a religion and as a business can discriminate against individuals based on the businesses ideology.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2015 02:53PM by Devoted Exmo.
The shaggy-haired older guy is the very reason why I have little respect for born-again Christian fundamentalists.
"I made a choice to be heterosexual".
Maybe the Morg is wise to understand the nature of born-again bigots like him, and trying to take advantage of the situation. Older Morgbots may not like it, but look for many of those who grew up Evangelical or Pentecostal to jump ship and join TSCC.
The pizzeria owners have failed to distinguish between being free to hold personal religious beliefs as opposed to acting on those beliefs in a way that infringes on the rights of others.
Yes focusing on gay people and ignoring child abuse and actual sins like that is so moral. Ever think how warped it is that heterosexual abusive relationships are more acceptable than nom abusive gay ones?
Hit the wrong reply button. "Abusive relationships span the spectrum" was meant in reply to Chromesthesia's remark. There's a common presumption that LGBT relationships are more egalitarian and tranquil, but people of all orientations bring bad baggage into them.
Indeed. One of the most abusive relationships to my personal knowledge was a Lesbian couple. I only heard one side of the story, but I think she tended to downplay the physical and mental abuse, if anything.
Yes abuse happens in hgay relationships. The point is abusive hetero relationships are more accepted and it is creepy. Do the churches and their put this kind of energy when it comes to domestic violence? They ought to give free pizza to a shelter