The other day at a family get together, my wife happened to mention in passing to her nephew that Edgar Cayce (whom he had never heard of) had a cure for migraine headaches. In less than three minutes, the nephew was reading the cure out loud to all of us from his screen on his phone.

How the hell will the mormon church be able to continue to tell their lies when youth sitting listening are able to discover the truth within minutes and no one (including the lie teller) being aware that they are doing so.

Mormonism as it exists today cannot last in the age of the internet.

Fortunately, TSCC has the willing compliance of their tithe-paying hoards, the bulk of whom know better that to ask faith-testing questions, much less trust Satanic sites like ...

I'm talking about the questioning youth of today who are distrusting of authority, not the brain-dead old fart tithe payers that are likely lost forever.

All debates and discussions among the kids that I am around as a teacher naturally progress to a point where one of the kids will pull out the i phone and google the answer(s).

This generation is the first of many more that are fact checkers. They rely on their phones to reference sources and debate with a very solid understanding of reality.

I don't think the LDS organization will have even a small chance at converting the world to it's messed up history and myths. The next generation of kids is too smart.

The LDS will have to settle for keeping the existing believers paying tithing and seeing little to nothing in growth numbers.

Exactly. That's the very point I was getting at. You said it so much better. Thanks.

BTW If anyone doubts the power of the internet, just Google "Joseph Smith's wives" and see the result. Did TSCC really believe they could hid this in an obscure footnote? Give me a break!



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Wouldn't it be great if we could do a survey at the Provo MTC to see just how it is, equipped though the kids there have been, they still find themselves there?

I have a grandson who entered the Provo MTC on 2/11, to do his stint there preparatory to heading for South America. He's cool, he's hip, he's very "of the world..." But there he is, because if he uses his free agency to find a Better Way than the way pointed out to him by my TBM daughter and her husband, they would see to it that he 'suffered', and they'd do so for his own good.

Sure, I'm hoping that at some point he decides to stand up to his parents, but I'm not holding it against him that he hasn't done it yet.

elderolddog wrote; "I have a grandson who entered the Provo MTC ... He's cool, he's hip, he's very "of the world..." But there he is, because if he uses his free agency to..."

Sure there are still a very great many very intelligent born-in-the-coven kids choosing of their own free will turn over the most prime 24 months of their lives to LD$ Inc but in observing this we often forget these youngsters are driven to near madness by the natural hormonal surge caused by our biological imperitive to advance our species.

Normal kids can not think straight at this age much less one who is tying his wrists to his bedposts at night to resist the urge to rrelease the buildup of hormonal pressure. Why does TSCC plave such an obsessive emphasis upon the act of autogratification? The answer seems so potential missionaries will not have the mental capacity to think clearly enough to make decisions in their own best interest, rather than the interests of an organiztion holding out the reward of sexual gratification in exchange for unquestioned compliance.

Even after marriage there is to be no porno, no adultery, and certainly no masturbation, regardless your unique circumstances. This places tremendous stress upon those for whom a gratifying sexual relationship with spouse is unattainable for whatever reason be it illness, permenent injuries, impotence or even insanity of spouse. Where's their reward for compliance? Well, for men at least it is the carrot of entering the so-called celestial kingdom and being rewarded with a bevy of innocent beauties eagerly waiting to please. Any faithful Mormon guy who says that still really isn't his secret hope is either lying, or he isn't telling the truth.

So sure we do live in the internet age, but that old time religion called Mormonism still has its core elements deeply embedded in the root programming of the faithful. Elements of Mormonism act like belief and hope for CK polygamy act like a programming virus that is passed from a faithful father to his sons during those "special family talks" the kids are instructed not to share with unbelievers or the women in their lives who just aren't ready to receive it.

Even though the internet is surely speeding up the process, the disease of Mormonism will not be erradicated any time soon enough for me.

Funny you should mention Edgar Cayce: my brother read everything he could get his hands on about him, believing him to be inspired and prophetic. I'm not 100% sure what was up with EC, but I do know that my brother became a Mormon soon after, so he went with a different prophet...

I truly don't know what to make of Edgar Cayce. I spent a day a few years ago with Charles Thomas Cayce who at the time was the head of ARE. He was very likable and seemed to be genuine. He told me that what has been reported about Edgar Cayce is factual, but he frankly didn't know what to make of it all either.

Apparently it can, as 80,000 18 & 19 year olds are shipping off each year to go on missions. When they return most will be brainwashed like their parents and refuse to look at anything they read online which they suspect might be anti-Mormon.

We've had the internet for 20 years now and teens have had their I-phones for several years. The truth, as found on the internet, apparently hasn't reached most of them.

You are speaking about brainwashed mormon teens, but I and some other posters are referring to potential future converts who are nothing like your 80,000 striplings. The mormons had better start having a lot more kids if they want to continue to "fill up the pews" so to speak in the future.

BTW Correct me if I'm wrong, but I am under the impression that there is a total of 80,000 currently serving on missions due to a temporary "surge" when the minimum age was lowered. You, on the other hand, stated that 80,000 "are shipping off each year to go on missions" which I don't think is correct.



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Yeah, there can't be 80,000 shipping out each year. They stay out for two years, so at most there would be 40,000 heading out each year, to replace the 40,000 who would be going home that year. But you're also right that the 80,000 is due to the surge of having 18, 19, 20, and 21 year olds (or 19-23 for girls) all out at the same time, due to the lowering of the missionary age. Normally you would have mostly 19-21 year olds out, and then they suddenly added a whole year's worth of missionaries (2 years worth for girls). And since they didn't manufacture those extra warm bodies out of thin air, it's just a pig in a python which will work its way through, and then the numbers will go back down to the pre-surge levels (with the possible exception of having more girls serve overall... which also hurts them, because those girls won't be getting married and having babies as early then).

Thank you Kismet for the clarification. So then, it would seem that the total number of missionaries serving may well have hit an all time high. If so, it will likely be harder to sell their "fastest growing church" bullshit in the future.

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/provo/mtc-no-more-raintree-reverting-back-to-student-housing/article_0e853eba-736c-518d-9fa4-bfbadb8129e4.html

Here's a recent news article about MTC rooms being reconverted back to tenant apartments. Now that the bulge has passed, even with 18 year olds, the number of missionaries is not growing.

Okay, so "tens" of thousands of youth are shipping off each year. Either way, its still just as many as there's ever been. The fact is, the internet is NOT reaching most of the LDS youth. And most youth ARE from being raised in the church these days, NOT convert families. The growth of the church, at least in the 1st world countries, are from children of record, not converts.

I agree with this. Today I mentioned that the missionaries were having fun playing in the snow (throwing snowballs, etc.) to my teenage son on the way home from school. He commented that he thought they weren't allowed to do this. I said they were probably super bored. With the advent of the internet, I feel sorry for them.

Where is the core of Mormonism today?

The BIC to BIC cycle.

How does the Internet impact that core?

I am not so sure. The issue seems to be more social than doctrinal or historical. Can Mormon families be sustained through proven deception? Will the mormon church effectively address the deceptions.

Half-truths are apparently being incorporated into Seminary now and "faith crisis" is now a rite of passage similar to a mission, Eagle Scout, or temple marriage.

Once these things survive this generation, Mormonism will adapt and regroup.

I would not bet against the flailing and failing of Mormonism, but Mormonism has always been a provable, known fraud.

The social issues of transitioning out of Mormonism are the real concern. How does a Mormon act on leaving Mormonism when they become aware that Mormonism is not what it claims to be!

We have seen and will continue to see many Mormons accept that Mormonism is not what it claims to be, but that it is not worth the price of leaving.



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