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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: January 27, 2015 10:13PM

....which I ended with "if you're an active, faithful, Mormon man who didn't find a wife until your 40s, you must be a real "gem".

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Posted by: the investgator ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 07:54AM

Shame on you Randy not everyone meets the right person at the right time and not everyone lives in communities where women are seen as second class If they aren't married and churning out kids with an RM when they are 23.
A bit of a personal below the belt punch that one.

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 09:53AM

.....don't live up to your apparent lofty expectations of me. :-)

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Posted by: moose ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 01:02PM

you made me smile! I love your frank responses and stiff backbone!

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Posted by: exdrymo ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 04:56PM

I wouldn't sweat it Randy.

It's inevitable you're going to land a lot of punches "below the belt" when your opponent wears his belt up on his chest like Ed Grimley,

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 05:28PM


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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: January 29, 2015 05:43PM


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Posted by: Hairy Reid ( )
Date: January 27, 2015 10:29PM

This is the same big dork who wrote that Harry Reid can't get into the Celestial Kingdom because he's a democrat. I find it fascinating that educated TBMs would ever take this guys seriously. He's an embarrassment.

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Posted by: exodus ( )
Date: January 27, 2015 11:45PM

This

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Posted by: the investigator ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 07:55AM

There's a celestial kingdom?

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Posted by: the investigator ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 08:31AM

I do find it a bit bizarre that john Dehlin has not been excommunicated already. He doesn't believe in the church, which is founded on thin air - that dream of Lehi or was it Nephi had it the wrong way round, the mormons are in the building the nonbeleivers are following the true path while being laughed at by the jackass believers.
He makes the problems with the church as public as he can. while I was looking into the church and it's history his stuff was a lot easier to find then those essays hidden in gospel topics. If everyone he wanted to listened to his podcasts he wouldn't have a church to be a member of.
I think it's a good idea he should go to guatemala and then hopefully those poor sods who walk for hours to attend the church for 3 hours can do something more productive. The walk is probably the only useful thing they do on sunday.
lastly does that Eric Friel guy in the original articles comments really think Fairmormon answer the questions adequately?

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Posted by: wine country girl ( )
Date: January 27, 2015 10:33PM

He called you stupid. I hope you're not going to let that stand.

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 03:34PM

...kinda like Bea Arthur calling Marilyn Monroe ugly. :-)

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Posted by: wine country girl ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 04:45PM

Or Mickey Rooney calling Kareem Abdul Jabbar short.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: January 27, 2015 10:57PM

From the article:

"There are faithful Mormons everywhere who struggle with certain
doctrines, yet they find a way to reconcile their faith with
their doubts."

And there are those who are "DNA Mormons" who have found it
impossible to reconcile Mormonism with their knowledge. Those
to whom Mormonism is part of their family structure, but cannot
accept the founding claims of Mormonism. These are the ones
who are like the Jews who are atheists but are still considered
Jews by the Jewish Community, that the article mentions. In
Judaism it's a difference of opinion among members of a
community. In Mormonism it's an excommunication offense.

From the article:

"Instead of excommunicating him, Dehlin’s disciplinary council
should ask him to return to Guatemala, the land where he served
as a young missionary, and give presentations to the members
there – many of whom walk many hours to and from church every
Sunday -- on why he is willing to leave the church over his
online activities. I’d pay a great deal to be there during the
Q&A sessions afterwards."

I get the impression that the writer would not be happy with
the results of such a Q&A session. I think having John go to
Guatemala and giving a presentation to members there is the
LAST thing the Church (and the writer of the article) would
want. After all, he is being "disciplined" for publicly
stating and defending his position.

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Posted by: ladell ( )
Date: January 27, 2015 11:49PM

Why would jews pay this douche to write for them?

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Posted by: Tal Bachman ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 06:04AM

Wine Country Girl - You're an animal :)

I just responded.

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Posted by: liberal mormon ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 08:56AM

For once, you actually sort of defend John Dehlin.

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Posted by: wine country girl ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 04:57PM

Tal Bachman Wrote:
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> Wine Country Girl - You're an animal :)

No, YOU'RE an animal!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/28/2015 04:59PM by wine country girl.

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Posted by: midwestanon ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 06:50AM

The potshot about him not getting married until his 40's was pretty funny, but you could see how sensitive he was when he responded that he was looking for a "beautiful, multilingual returned missionary to be the mother of my children, and it took me a while to find her". Clearly hit a nerve. I always think it's best to look for incredibly specific traits in the women I seek instead of going into the dating scene with an open mind about the women I meet.

This dude did nothing to respond to anyone, he just said 'This has nothing to do with the Jewish things I write about' ad infinitum. Leads me to believe he's an idiot.

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Posted by: Tapirrider ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 07:19AM

Tal, thank you for commenting on that article. The ugly side of Mormon behavior really comes out when they are faced with facts they don't like. The author calling you stupid is the kind of behavior that the public needs to see.

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Posted by: Flyer ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 09:28AM

According to the Mormon playbook, members who don't believe but keep quiet are fine. But those who start publicizing details of their doubts and the problems with Mormonism are to be ex'ed.

Well, it seems to me Dehlin has done lots of publicizing but he's on thin ice and not ex'ed most likely because he apparently dislikes certain aspects but in the same breath still defends Mormonism (or used to.... haven't followed him lately).

That said, I'm totally with you Tal. Either buy into it and stay, or disagree with it and leave. Man up, John!

That said, people say John has been trying to reform Mormonism by not willingly leaving. That is one of those grey areas for some and black and white for others. The guys at the top of Mormonism might reform things a bit here and there but due to public pressure, not usually due to a Mormon blogger. Some of us feel that Mormonism is and has been depraved from the beginning and thus should not be reformed, just cut off.

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Posted by: generationofvipers ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 09:50AM

Nice work, Tal

I can't believe how peeevish and immature he sounds writing back to you. Wouldn't he at least ATTEMPT to sound like a serious person on his own blog comments instead of responding like a Daniel Peterson email?

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Posted by: verilyverily ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 04:21PM

Harry Chapin was not a CULT member.... just saying....

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Posted by: Tal Bachman ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 09:47PM

Generation

The answer, of course, is no. Following Nibley, Peterson and his former colleagues popularized within the Mormon community a form of pseudo-apologetics for which the goal was not to defend truth or a particular perspective, but to protect the stupefaction (their own and others') required for Mormon belief from the disruptive effects of reason and evidence.

To that end, Mormon pseudo-apologists rejected sharply reasoned argument based on reliable evidence for (amongst other things) sarcasm, ad hominem potshots, pedantry, thought-terminating cliches, mockery, sanctimony, verbosity, smugness, and exaggerated indignation. It's no wonder that Mr. Paredes, who's no doubt familiar with those writings, feels inclined toward a couple of those same techniques.

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Posted by: generationofvipers ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 10:27PM

That pretty much sums it up. Follow up question: why would the Jewish journal want a Mormon of questionable sanity and credibility blogging for them?

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Posted by: Tal Bachman ( )
Date: January 28, 2015 11:40PM

I have no idea. I find it very strange.

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Posted by: Mark P ( )
Date: January 29, 2015 03:37PM

I blog for Jews! No need to answer your questions. I bloooooog for Jeeeeeeeews! Got it.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: January 29, 2015 03:51PM

Curiosity killed the cat in the cradle....

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