She says: "This is the problem with growing up a Utah Mormon. By attempting to control what Mormons read, view or otherwise learn, the LDS Church has heavily censored thoughts and the ability to reason. When an authoritarian government—whether religious or secular—acts in this manner—restricting access or promoting mind-control tactics—those subject to this tyranny suffer serious intellectual impediment. Only in a community of freely circulating ideas can one truly choose what makes sense, sounds credible and even "feels right." This is the beauty of our country."

http://anamericanfraud.blogspot.com/2012/01/opinion-is-constitutionally-protected.html?spref=fb



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I loved her book. I downloaded it on Kindle and one of my problems with Kindle is that there are so many books right at my fingertips, I tend to bounce from book to book, a chapter here a chapter there, never finishing the whole book. Kay's book was one of the few I've downloaded that I couldn't put down and finished in two days. I'm reading Under the Banner of Heaven right now and I'm having the same experience there - just want to keep reading it til I'm done.

That sounds like an interesting read. Thx, Twinker.
I need to get one of those kindles. That way I could read it unobtrusively. If my DW saw a book by that name lying around the house, I'd be divorced before you could blink.

exmormon porn.
I like it when my husband read it, makes our marriage stronger. We are a united front when the mo's show up at the front door unannounced.

Fixed it!

Her book is "An American Fraud: One Lawyer's Case against Mormonism."



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An interesting review of Kay's book was published on Amazon by reader "Lane". An excerpt of his review is below:



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For anyone interested in a shorthand book on Mormon history, its foundations, the evolution of its doctrines, and the consequences thereof, this is a great book for you. I've been a missionary, bishop, and a strident student of Mormonism my whole life, and this is the only book on the subject I've taken the time to praise, and I've read all of them. No doubt this book resonates with me because of our similar legal backgrounds, and my former intense religiousity and its demise based upon a simple regimen of study and personal commitment to be responsible for my own beliefs and actions.

Still, for anyone who reads Mormon apologetics, you need to take Kay's book and compare. First, she's honest about her actions, character, mistakes, warts and all. She's about as authentic a person as you can have, at this point in her life, anyway. It's just refreshing to witness a person raised in Mormonism capable of such authenticity. I'm not there yet, and I've worked at it everyday for years. Then she just lays out the facts and her argument, without resorting to ad hominen. She does call the general authorities down at times, because it is the nature of a treatise where those in control make effort to limit access to or obfuscate the facts. When Lying for the Lord is easily documented, it is not ad hominem to provide the documentation to prove the case.

A case in point is my old Trusts professor, Dallin Oaks. There is so much to admire about this guy, but when he tries to justify a lack of candor for the good of the Church, it is as though, for that moment, he has no understanding of ethics. When he intimates that truth may not necessarily be shared so that a corporate mission may be better accomplished, failing to consider that people have a right to make their own decisions based upon total disclosure, he publicly displays a lapse of judgment and ethics that he may only be able to correct if he is called on it. Even then, his investment is so high, how could he ever see it for what it is? It would take an "exceedingly" great and humble person to so sacrifice himself in implementing his ethical duty. I have such high hopes for Elder Oaks; it's painful to have to witness his mental gymnastics. Kay does a respectful and artful job of calling him on this sort of thing, which indeed is repugnant to Anglo-American jurisprudence. When we mammals know we are right, we can harm so off-the-cuff.
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link to the book's home page at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/American-Fraud-Lawyers-against-Mormonism/dp/0615465897



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When author and friend Dennis Farley, a former SLC attorney, went up the chain of command reporting that he no longer believed in the Book of Mormon, he was astonished that every single leader told him they also had problems with their faith.

Dallin Oaks was one of these. He told Dennis flat out that he didn't really believe, either. Naturally Dennis asked him what was he doing as a General Authority. He said the Church was mankind's best effort to do God's will or some such mishmash.

Translation (and I don't need a hat or a rock)... I am nothing out in the real world. Here in the cult, I have respect and a position. I am a Big Frog. If I went out into the cold cruel world, I would just be a man like other men. Brrrrrhhhh!

Anagrammy

Wow that explains Mr. Hoax to the hilt indeed! @_@

Freedom of Speech is the enemy of all tyranny and ignorance.

Interesting book.

I like how she leads with Gordon Hinckley's quote from the 2003 April conference: "Each of us has to face the matter -either the Church is true, or it is a fraud. There is no middle ground. It is the Church and kingdom of God or it is nothing."

What other church has the constant refrain of "No, no, it's really true! Not a fraud! Really!" Of course, at the local level each ward does this on the first Sunday of each month.

One of the most unique characteristics of Mormon church is how everyone in the organization appears to be gritting their teeth, getting red in the face, and sweating heavily as they try to maintain belief. This just doesn't happen elsewhere.

That's because "elsewhere" doesn't have the Book of Abraham to contend with.

I haven't read this book, but it's the next one on the list.
My stepson is an attorney. I think he could relate to this book.
It's my next step in completely deleting this religion out of the upcoming generation in my immediate family.

kept me reading until way past midnight a few nights until I finished it.

Wow - IMO every Ex-Mo & brave TBM's should read that.

I learned about Blood Atonement in this book. WTF!

JS & BY were monsters, total control freaks who ruled their cult with an iron and bloody fist.

Director Ron Howard is making this book into a movie.

DW & my BIL both read it. We talked about it in detail.

All three of us have resigned. This book was one of many that helped us see how F****d up Mormonism is.

There is no book you should not read. There is no story that should not be told. No claim that should not be tested. No belief that should not be doubted. No god that should not be thrown down.

Kay. I just read your book. From the time I down loaded I could stop reading.
Myself growing up it Utah I had many of the same filling. My family has been part of the churches rule body back to the days of Joseph Smith. When I enter a Mormon chuch I have this filling to run. I fill guilty that for left. But deep down I j know I did the right thing.The church is evil. It has destroyed me in many way. Great book.

...North Korea to study information control techniques.

I find it interesting when you read a book like this, and then one by someone like Jan Shipps...
It becomes very apparent who has an ax to grind and who is telling an unbiased truth.
For that, I am afraid I wasted my money on this book.

Shipps is that not so rare bird, a nevermo apologist. She treats the church way too gently, minding a misguided academic neutrality about it when there is quite clearly in the historical record on the LDS church so much to loathe.

LDS Inc. in some way shape or form probably pays folks such as Shipps to be apologists. It's a standard PR technique - getting 3rd party endorsements.

Hey Ed Gorbach, I see this is your first post. Welcome to the board.

...and I thought Mormons only wanted other Mormons to be the world's source of the "truth" about Mormonism. You know that old chestnut, "If you want to know about a Chevy, you'd ask a Chevrolet dealer."

Jan Shipps is a never-mo. Are TBM's making an exception because she writes favorably about Mormonism?

Thanks for the link, Twinker.

I hope her book will be held at my local Utah library, but they'll have to keep it locked up in the closed stacks. Books critical of Mormonism are apparently stolen or defaced regularly there and have to be kept under lock and key. Really.



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kay will be on live thursday night on KTMW channel 20 for the utah peeps.
The show is called "Polygamy- what love is this?"

should be a good watch and the call ins are usually priceless.

I really enjoyed Kay's book. Her presentation at the exmo conference in 2013 was really good too.

http://www.mormonthink.com/personalstories/kayburningham.htm