So I posted on FB that I had signed the petition about the temple wedding policy. Check out some of the responses. Unbelievable.


TBM 1 It's not that hard to be worthy to enter the temple....Why reward the slackers?


Me i don't want to reward slackers, but don't want people who are nonmembers to be punished for choosing a different religion. or like your kids and my nieces who weren't old enough to go to a temple wedding


TBM 1 It's not a punishment, it's something to look forward to if you are a kid, and something you should be working towards as an adult.


TBM 2 A strong family wouldn't even be at risk of being hurt or torn apart by something as silly as not being able to witness a sealing. However, I'm not sure that I agree with the 1-year wait rule after a civil wedding. I feel like that penalty ...should only apply to those couples who elope on a whim. Though it makes sense that, since it's near impossible to judge whether or not it is an "elope," the penalty is just applied to everyone fairly. It does make me sad that people put the opinions and feelings of other family members before their own marriage that they would choose the civil wedding route, and that those other family members would be seriously offended otherwise. Why can't they just respect your own wishes? Stupid people...

TBM 2 I remember how sacred my sealing was, and I'm glad that I didn't have children or nonmember friends there. If I was smelling beer off of someone while I was kneeling at the alter ... or cigarette smoke ... or seeing children chatting and bouncing ... it would've been an entirely different experience. I'm happy with the memory of how sacred and holy that my sealing was.

Me Really? Missing the wedding of a close family member is silly? I'd venture to say most people would disagree with that statement. I had a civil ceremony and all of my nieces from age 9 to less than 2 years old attended and were perfectly well behaved. and if not, who
the heck cares. They are kids, sometimes they get loud. I am glad they were there and were able to participate. Weddings are about family and for a church to this kind of policy is unchristlike.

Me PS, your comments about kids being noisy reminds me of a story about Jesus. There were some children who wanted to come to Christ, but the disciples said no, he is tired, let him alone. But Christ said "Suffer the children to come unto me, for of such are the kingdom of heaven."

Mormonism involves a lot of sacrifice to make you feel superior to everyone else.

A strong family would never put up with a Church telling that family who is worthy or not worthy to attend ANY important family gatherings.

Ummm yeah, I am constantly smelling beer on all of my friends. ESPECIALLY when I go to weddings.

God grant me the serenity to not hit these people......Oh wait I don't believe in god.

It's not that hard to be worthy to enter the temple....Why reward the slackers?

1st of all weddings are not all about being Mormon, NOT everyone is Mormon or wants to be. So why can't weddings take place outside the temple and the Mormon sealing take place inside the temple? It’s not rewarding slackers it’s about having respect for those who are not Mormon, you are excluding family and friends (who are not Mormon) from participating in and celebrating with the newly married couple.

Example, John converts to Mormonism to marry Julie and born in the Church Member, whose whole family and extended family are also members. Now John’s parents, extended family and friends who are not Mormon are invited to join in order to participate or they are excluded as unworthy and are told they can stand outside or come to the reception. The parents, aunts and uncles and cousins who have loved and watched this young man grow up are treated like 2nd class citizens, unworthy to enter the exclusive country club of Mormonism, (Unless they join, pay tithing and become Mormon).

And Mormons have the nerve to wonder why non Mormons view these Mormon practices as cultish, and Mormons then defend this behavior by calling saying the non Mormons “just don’t understand”. I think they understand just fine.

Its form blackmail, using the convert as bait for a Membership drive, his family is invited to join the church or they will be excluded. When in fact the couple could just as easily have a traditional Christian wedding were all would be welcome showing respect for the diversity of all the family, and then all the Mormons could go to the temple for those sealing.

I think non-Mormons are correct in their observations, Mormonism shows it’s self to be cultish, exclusionary and elitist and they want to dictate to others how things will be done, and if you don’t do it the Mormon way, Mormons have vindictive consequences, exclusion and cutting off of family ties, and they try to dress up this ugliness by calling this behavior sacred and claiming the are obeying higher laws.

Mormons what to claim this is how God works, and wonder why non-Mormon think “Mormons can keep their, elitist, vindictive, blackmailing God”.

And I wasn't the only one. In fact the only people from my brothers side of the family that went were mom and dad.

It pissed off a lot of my family. My brother had to spend a lot of time explaining to family who weren't mormons, who had also travelled across the country, why they couldn't go to the wedding. I would have hated to be the one explaining that.

I told my brother that I wasn't going and why. I wasn't going to spend money for flyng across the country just to go to some lame ass reception. Which from the reports from my family that did travel there, it was super lame. In fact one cousin and my uncle left and went to bar to get loaded.

And the church doesn't split up families. Riiiiight!

You might ask them if it's so "sacred" then why do they waive the year wait in Europe? Oh yeah, it's because the European governments don't recognize the mormon god or their so called "authority" and people have to have a civil marriage. Yet, they aren't penalized like North Americans.

They are in a way as if they have the cerimony in a mormon chapel the bishop talks about how the law requires the civil cerimony and how the temples where all the important stuff happens. I'm not ever getting married in a mormon chapel.

The best explanation is to be found in the UK, which DOES grant churches the right to perform a legal ceremony, as long as the ceremony is held in a PUBLIC HOUSE OF WORSHIP. LDS temples do not meet this definition of "public house of worship" and for this reason, a civil ceremony is required. Those who marry in say an Anglican or Catholic church need no civil ceremony. The ground for this interpretation of law is the requirement that a person could in theory object to the wedding in a public place of worship, but not in a secret clubhouse like the temple.

"I'm glad that I didn't have children or nonmember friends there. If I was smelling beer off of someone while I was kneeling at the alter ... or cigarette smoke"

Because every non-mormon drinks and smokes @@

I think you also forgot that not only does every non-mormon drink and smoke, there all loaded first thing in the morning. And not only that your sexually promiscuous, have a filthy mouth and just all around amoral.

Of course I'm just kidding. But that's how they think.

LOL You're quite right. AND whenever someone does drink, they always drink to the extent of a horrible hangover the next day. No one could ever drink for a relaxing evening with no lasting side effects the next morning.

Not only do they all smoke and drink beer but they do it while the ceremony is going on. The guests all show up unshaved and unbathed (because they live on the street) in their faded, ripped, hand-me-downs, prop their feet up on the pew in front of them, pop open a 6-pack and guzzle it while waiting for the ceremony to start, and once it does lean back a blow smoke rings while watching the ceremony. All the while, they've brought a stack of porn with them to look at during the boring parts of the ceremony, and yell at the bride during the ceremony the kinds of comments you would expect at a strip club.

Well, dang, Oz! Was you at my mama's weddin?

EVERYONE smells of beer and cigarettes. In fact the minister at the last wedding I went to said "can we open a window....I can hardly breath from all the cigarette smoke!"

Even the kids were smoking those candy cigarettes and every kid there was screaming like Kurt Cobain.

As the bride and groom turned to leave they could hardly walk down the aisle because of all the empty Natural Lite cans.

Yeah...a temple wedding is MUCH better.

some countries don't recognize a Mormon wedding and Mormons must have a civil wedding first and they don't have to wait a year to be sealed.

You'd think in the US the Church could allow a civil ceremony first followed by the sealing afterwards without the year wait.

I think the church worries that if there were a civil ceremony first then the couple may not follow through or procrstinate with being sealed.

And there goes the tithing since it costs 10% to get sealed.

Just my MOO

"It's not that hard to be worthy to enter the temple" Yea-all you have to do is sell your soul to the mormon church.

In the UK you MUST be married in a church before you go to the temple, it's the law. So when my british daughter married her US husband the LDS church insisted on them having a temple marrage or they would have to wait the year. It cost me nearly £30k to achieve this for my daughter and I couldn't even attent the wedding as I was not "Worthy" to enter the temple.

I was invited to the "We love you President Boyd K. Packer" FB Event today from an old TBM mission companion. I have been scrolling through wall comments for the past couple hours. I am sad. Here are a few screenshots of comments that really bothered me:

http://jolene-jolene24.blogspot.com/2010/10/facebook-wall-posts-we-love-you.html

Those comments are really disgusting. The one at the bottom is more like a lot of stuff I saw on the other page.

Those comments are just nasty. What ugly souls those people must have, and yet somehow they think they are "God's Finest".

The only thing I can think is it helps them sleep at the night. I mean, if they can truly believe these things (suicidal gays know they are wrong) or whatever- then maybe Gawd's One Twue Church might not be so bad.

But the fact that someone has the balls to put that on the internet just shows exactly how hateful they are.

As appalling as what you posted is, the truly sad thing is that it was not at all isolated. There is page after page of that sort of callous, hateful crap.

I don't think the LDS leadership is supporting or calling attention to the page, there was a Salt Lake Trib story but no Deseret news story. After reading many of the comments, I think I know why. I think the LDS leadership knows that the FB page makes the LDS look very bad. While the LDS leadership can control the message from the top, the reality of the hateful nature of the LDS spews out when the rank and file members try to defend TSCC.

I hope lots of non-LDS people find that page. I think most will be as offended as the we are.

I've experienced those kind of rude comments myself.

Being a nevermo (married to an inactive), I've had tbm's automatically assume that I've dabbled in drugs, drink heavily, and had dozens of partners before getting married. None of those things are true.

It just shows how sheltered and ignorant they are.

Not to mention arrogant. They way they look down on non-mormons and then act all offended and persecuted when those non-mormons stand up for themselves.
You just can't win with people who think their stuff don't stink.

Talking to a cult member is like trying to take a bananna away from a monkey.

I am deeply offended by your blatant slackerphobia.

Here is the conclusion of the fb exchange. I didn't bother replying to the last few posts b/c I was sooo sick of the attitude. These people have zero consideration for other people's feelings. They didn't even bother to read the petition to see what it was about. I think some people join the church simply so they have an excuse to act as though they are better than everyone else. Case in point :


TBM 2 It's funny that you say this policy is unchristlike when the policy is from Heavenly Father.


TBM 2 A story more specific to the discussion would be the one where Christ throws the merchants out of the temple.


TBM 1 Weddings aren't about the family members or friends...weddings are about the couple and their commitment to each other. The reception is for family and friends.
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Me ok i'm a little confused. how does jesus throwing the moneychangers out of the temple fit in to all this?

Wendy Kelley I thought that the topic was whether or not to let nonmembers into the temple.


Me actually its about letting temple worthy people have a civil ceremony before the temple sealing and not have to wait a whole year. that way non members don't have to miss out on the wedding and the couple can still get sealed that day


TBM 2 Oh sorry, I guess that I was the one that was confused! :) Though, I second TBM 1 comment. I had 120+ people at my reception and it was a blast! My best/closest friends were all nonmembers and they respected me and my decision the whole w...ay. Every one of them came to the reception. We also had 13 nieces and nephews at the time and I'm pretty sure that they didn't care one bit about not being at the ceremony. Kids don't care about those sort of things. They do enjoy dancing and eating cake though! So I don't see what the big deal is


TBM 1 I can say that my first marriage only lasted a little more than a year, because my husband wasn't a member and was not supportive of my religion. He ended up being phsically abusive, the harder I tried to follow christ the more he rebelled ...and took it out on me.
My second marriage was to a return missionary who wasn't worthy but promised to take me to the temple in ayear. He turned out to be a porn freak (didn't know when I married him) and was sexually abusive. The marriage only lasted 4 months.
I swore I would never get married again. Then I met Tom.
PS Just because endowed members can attend the sealing doesn't mean they will. My parents chose not to attend my wedding to Tom, but he was there and that was the important part.

also note that its not the mormon church who is excluding people, its God. God just loves some of his children more than others apparently

I am blown away by #1. It took her three marriages to "find the one?" And she thinks she has the right to judge anyone else's love life?

It is my understanding that there is a cash register in the temple, thus there are merchants in the LDS temple.

These people are crazy. I honestly think the best thing we could do to discredit the LDS it to keep the faithful rank and file trying to defend their beliefs in public forums.

My eyes bugged out and my jaw literally dropped to the floor when I read this comment.

TSCC is a fricken sickness. Like a zombie virus of sorts...that eats away at a person's brain and they just can't think like a normal cognitive human being anymore. Wow. This entire thread is fascinating.