I've heard it mentioned a few times now that GAs make a great deal of money and even own extravagant home(s).

Does anyone here have any first hand experience seeing this? I saw several mentions of Monson's car, but I guess I'm looking for more about their general lifestyles. What kind of homes do they live in? What kind of shoes, suits, and watches do they buy? That sort of thing.

I was always taught that they earned a fairly meager "living allowance," though I'm inclined to doubt that.

Most of them were well off before becoming GAs. They were doctors, lawyers, or came from rich families. I don't think that the church pays them a ton of money, but I don't know.

How true. And a great many of these BECAME doctors and lawyers as a result of the 100% tuition free BYU education for the children AND GRANDCHILDREN of the Mormon elite, funded 100% by the tithes of the hardworking rank and file tithe paying members of the church whose only reward for such monumental sacrifice is some vague afterlife promise that is only valid if they continue to pay till their dying breath.

Thousands of families, and probably more, could not send their kids to collage as a result of faithful tithing, while kids AND grandkids of the Mormon elite attend for free.

So yeah, the rich do get richer....at the expense of the folks who actually earned it.dvulv

Again, true. The "church" pays very little to the upper placed management. HOWEVER, they DO >>REIMBURSE<< the elite for expenses with very few guidelines on what they will not "reimburse" for. Then, as per Mormon operation handbook, they are specifically instructed not to declare these "reimbursements" on their taxes, as that could cause problems with the IRS. And yes, they said that.

Are you looking for something like this?

https://mormoninsider.wordpress.com/category/apostles-homes/

Yes, thank you!

AKA Alma, that's really interesting. None of the homes looks like a very ordinary average home, they are all upper middle class.

I wonder how Monson feels after having pushed my Dad and Mom to have a large family and try to raise them in a small bungalow with just 3 bedrooms - thanks to thousands in tithing which he faithfully paid year for at least 50 years?

They also likely have more than one income as well.

Stipend from TSCC
Book deals from TSCC owned publisher
Sit on boards of TSCC owned for-profit ventures
Etc.

I guess I'm looking for actually first hand information, as opposed to rumors and possibilities. The "Apostle's Homes" website is good one.

Mormondisclosures.blogspot.com.au has links to property documents and other concrete evidence.

This was a topic a month ago which is re-posted with additional link so you may gain a better idea of how these truly humble men make use of your tithing dollar. Remember, because these men are members of the clergy it is possible the LD$ church may hold title to these homes as legal parsonages which would qualify these million dollar homes a 100% property tax exemption! However, true and accurate financial accountability from members of LD$, Inc. is non-existent. Maybe there is a reason for that fact.

The Red Ledges community is a high end resort community owned and financed by leading Mormon families. The typical Red Ledges residence;http://vimeo.com/102234012


The December Post by: Cokeisoknowdrinker ( )
Date: November 19, 2014 07:30PM
Re: the Q12's private lives

These are humble men their private life is on no concern..
Example below:

they live in humble private circumstances.


"Dieter Uhctdorf also has a second home in Heber City, Utah. It is located at 242 North Red Ledges Village Way, Heber City, Utah."

http://mormoninsider.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/uchtdorfhomeheber.jpg

Posted by: Cokeisoknowdrinker ( )
Date: November 19, 2014 07:30PM
Re: the Q12's private lives

These are humble men their private life is on no concern..
Example below:

they live in humble private circumstances.

"Dieter Uhctdorf also has a second home in Heber City, Utah. It is located at 242 North Red Ledges Village Way, Heber City, Utah."

http://mormoninsider.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/uchtdorfhomeheber.jpg

Yes, for only $595.00 you and your family can live like Mormon royalty for 3 days and two nights!!!

Discover Why Red Ledges is Utah’s Premier Private Community

We invite you and your family to explore Red Ledges in the beautiful Wasatch Mountains just outside of Park City, Utah. Our Discovery Package Special* for $595.00 includes:

3 days and 2 nights lodging in one of our luxurious Mountain Cottages
Skiing for two at Deer Valley including use of our private member ski lounge
Dinner for two at the Juniper Grill
Member privileges to the Swim and Fitness Club
Club access to the Cliff Drysdale Tennis Facility
A private tour to introduce you to the Red Ledges community

The hook?

* Red Ledges reserves the right to cancel or change this offer without prior notification. Offer Valid through 2015. Subject to availability. Blackout dates may apply. Reservations subject to cancellation fee. Package price does not include tax, tip, gratuity.Married guests are required to tour the property with their spouse. Dining credit up to $100 must be used at time of visit and is non-transferable.

http://www.redledges.com/discovery-tour/

You can become Dieter Uhctdorf's neighbor for the mere pocket change of $2,175,000 when you become the proud owner of

280 N. Red Ledges Blvd
Heber City, Utah 84032

But, if you're not a member of the clergy, you'll likely be stuck for property taxes in addition to other expenses the "rank and file" contend with on a lifetime basis. Oh, membership (in this case the top 2%) does have its privileges!

http://www.redledges.com/280-n-red-ledges-blvd/

It is all about diversion of attention.

The conversation goes to their houses, cars, and kids tuition while tens, or hundreds of millions is being transferred to them.

No, no, no. REIMBURSED to them. Among the truly religious, semantics is/are everything.

Has anyone seen any of these elusive creatures living in their natural habitat?

It seems to me as though even if they had billions of dollars each, that it wouldn't do them any good unless they found time and ways to spend it.

Just like higher level politicians. No matter how little they come in with they somehow get rich.. all the while blathering about being 'humble servants' and other BS.

I compiled this list back in 2012. The number in ( ) is the age at the time of being called to be a general authority.

Thomas S. Monson (36) was working for the Deseret News.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_S._Monson

Henry B. Eyring (59) was an educator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_B._Eyring

Dieter F. Uchtdorf (55) was a pilot for Lufthansa Airlines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_F._Uchtdorf

Boyd K. Packer (37) was a church educator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyd_K._Packer

L. Tom Perry (50) was involved in business/retail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Tom_Perry

Russell M. Nelson (59) was a surgeon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_M._Nelson

Dallin H. Oaks (51) was a lawyer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks

M. Russell Ballard (48) was involved in business.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Russell_Ballard

Richard G. Scott (49) was a nuclear engineer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_G._Scott

Robert D. Hales (44) was a business executive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Hales

Jeffrey R. Holland (48) was a church educator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_R._Holland

David A. Bednar (52) was an educator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_A._Bednar

Quentin L. Cook (55) was an attorney.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_L._Cook

D. Todd Christofferson (48) was an attorney.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._Todd_Christofferson

Neil L. Andersen (42) was a business executive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_L._Andersen



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Please remember that the big bucks do not really start until you hit the big time (Q12 & FP). I have known a fair number of 70s, and they live pretty normal lives. A few had other lucrative careers, but most, especially as emeritus, live without all the perks. On the other hand, the top dogs live in the lap of luxury.

As missionaries in Germany many years ago, we would make fun of the Catholic bishops homes (now museums) and sneer at the princes of the church. My, weren't we glad to know that our leaders were humble servants of the lord.

Today, not so much.

There's no evidence available that they earn a lot from the church. There is ample evidence that they are reimbursed handsomely as a result of their status--two nice homes, access to new cars, 1st class travel, free tuition for children, the best health care, and ample remuneration for whatever the hell it is that they do (remuneration likely on top of the other benefits). And they serve as CEOs, VPs, and chairmen of the boards of LDS-owned businesses, and I would bet that the are remunerated for that, earning the pay of a chairman or VP of any normal company.

its been alleged via Grant Palmer and his doubting 70 that GA's are given a "gift" of $1 million dollars when first appointed.

I don't know when more information on this will ever be released.

but that is why I was sure to include alleged in my post.

Absolutely. That's the very way they hide how much money the GA's are really paid.

In the late 1960's, I served as a tax auditor and had access to all the tax returns filed in the State of Utah. Out of curiosity I pulled the latest return of then serving president David O. McKay.

I noted that as president he was paid a modest sum by the Mormon Church itself. As I recall it was a little more than fourteen thousand. I also noted that he served on the board of almost a dozen church owned or controlled corporations including Bonneville Broadcasting, Zions Bank, Deseret Book, etc. He received around $10,000 from each board which brought his reported gross income to about $120,000. This was a sizable income in Utah in 1967. A brand new fully equipped mid-sized automobile only cost around $4,000 and a new 3 bedroom home ran around $25,000.

So TSCC could honestly claim that the prophet was only paid a modest sum from church tithing. They never said anything about board member payments.



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Wow. Yeah. Like that.

$120k per year (assuming 1968 is the year of the tax filing) is equivalent to $814k per year today.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

And don't forget that Joseph Inc. has many more business entities now and, therefore, many more board "positions" from which to pay the profit.

Once again it's a secret!! Not even rank and file members know how much they make!

And that just ain't right. Ain't right at all. There are plenty of churches out there that let you know every detail of the finances. The fact that Mormons adhere to secret doctrines and secret finances should tell people something.

It probably speaks volumes to outsiders as to just how secretive they are!!

Back in the 1970s it was announced that GAs would no longer serve on corporate boards. I am sure their pay was adjusted to make up for that, but at least for public corporations, they are not on any boards. Board membership for public corporations is a matter of public record.

OTOH, I imagine most LDS owned corporations are private. I don't know if that makes board membership private information or not. I don't think it really matters. Whether the Q15 makes any money from LDS owned corporations, or solely from LDS Inc funds as salary/reimbursement is a distinction without a difference. It's just two different pockets in the same pair of pants.

One thing I wondered at the time was McKay actually "serving" on all those boards, or was it just a front to funnel more money to him. But, as you pointed out, they were privately owned corporations without published minutes to confirm board member attendance. My guess would be that a representative probably sat in for him.

The Church really needs to do an essay on financial transparency of the Church and its leaders.