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Posted by: anagrammy ( )
Date: December 04, 2014 11:37AM

Thought you guys would enjoy reading my explanation of Mormon singles culture to the Websleuths crowd following the trial of convicted murderess Jodi Arias--her victim was Travis Alexander, a motivational speaker for Prepaid Legal who clawed his way to the top tier from a childhood of unimaginable deprivation--until his Mormon grandparents took him and his five (?) siblings under their care. The victim was a real prince, always trying to help people but had a problem with sexual temptation.

Arias threatened to ruin Travis' reputation even after death by threatening his surviving siblings that she would tell the court he had a child porn problem-unless they agreed to take the death penalty off the table. This is what is being tried right now in Arizona - Life in Prison or Death for a despicable human being with scarcely a redeeming quality who murdered a man admired by everyone, the pillar of his family. Rest in peace, Travis Alexander.

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Hi all, I'd like to throw in some commentary regarding Mormon singles culture which might illuminate Jodi's strategy.

I am a former Mormon and believe it helps to understand that Mormonism is a recognized subculture with its own rules and tabus, which differ from regular America. For example, masturbation is a big deal and boys and girls are interviewed about this by their bishop from the age of 12 on (sometimes they skip the girls but never the boys). Every young woman is taught from childhood that marriage in the temple is her goal because only there can she go to the highest realm of heaven, the Celestial Kingdom and remain with her family (Mormons call that being "sealed" to their children and spouse). A man can be sealed to more than one woman, for example, his divorced wife and his present wife, but a woman can only be sealed to a worthy male Mormon once and cannot be released from that to remarry (after divorce) if she has a worthy male lined up to take his place, and if first husband gives his permission and states that there is no moral iniquity in her preventing her from remarrying.

This difference in power means the women do the picking because they have much to lose if they pick a non-worthy male. Every faithful Mormon single woman wants a "worthy" male that can take her to the temple for marriage. She is also looking for a returned missionary because that is the test of fire for the faith. A man who has been excommunicated would have little to offer the top-tier virgin Mormon woman--and by the age of 25, she's been waiting a long time. Mormons do not follow the modern trend to wait until later for marriage and children. When I was 28, I was considered over the hill and was sent to the family ward.

Being "sent to the family ward" means a person is no longer allowed to attend a singles ward, where the eligible people are all mate-shopping. When a single is sent back to the family ward, i.e., the parish nearest their home where all the families are attending, it means the church does not feel that person is a good candidate for marriage to other LDS people. They need to repent, or the church doesn't want them infecting the other singles with their problem (sex, coffee, drugs,alcohol, porn, etc).

We know CMJA was desperate and playing her last blackmail card. I submit to you that singles who are excommunicated may lose status and be working on repentence, but they are not shunned or treated badly. They may only be disfellowshipped (allowed to go to meetings but not the temple, cannot take the sacrament). If they are in a stage of repentence, they are usually supported in that. If they re-offend, however, that's another story. Then a "Court of Love" is convened with church officials to review evidence against them, such as the testimony of the other party. Then they are excommunicated as a habitual offender and the road back is longer.

No top tier Mormon woman would date an excommunicated man in the casual, collegial, fun environment of the singles wards. But there are plenty of jack mormon single women (believe but don't follow minor rules like the dietary ones). And they might not mind a bit.

Knowing the complete details of the sexual histories of both parties, it it less likely that TA would have initiated any kind of sex with Jodi on or around her baptism. He would have had to qualify to perform the baptism in the first place by having an interview. Since lying Arias said the oral sex in the car after the baptism was their first encounter, he must have passed the interview and therefore the who-corrupted-who torch passes to Arias. Is it more or less likely that a man on probation, so to speak, who has worked his way up to qualifying to baptize some would immediately risk it all to have himself serviced by a woman to whom he has been preaching the gospel? A woman he thinks whose life he is changing?

Skipping to the endgame here, the question was raised that people are wondering what Jodi was threatening Travis with. Had he embezzled, had he done this or that, let me tell you right now that ALL the regular frauds are understood with Mormons in that they are forgiveable. In Mormon culture, porn has a much higher place in the hierarchy of sins than it does with the general public. For most of us, porn on a man's computer is hohum unless there are excessive or weird practices, violence, etc. Men like to look at naked women ho hum.

In Mormonism, porn addiction is a serious problem. Utah has the highest consumption of porn per capita than any state in the union. It also has the highest suicide rate for young men ages 16 - 24 and these tend to be disaffected Mormons who feel worthless and have stopped going to church due to masturbation or porn problems. No Mormon boy can pass the sacrament as a 12 year old deacon if he admits to masturbating. So the kids suffer terrible public humiliation as the rest of his quorum goes to pass it and he is seen just sitting there, face burning, with everyone knowing what he probably did to get his privilege revoked.

I think it helps to understand this culture when talking about child porn. It is considered the worst thing you can do short of raping a child yourself. If you confess to this, your life in Mormonism is over. You would never be considered for leadership (as a male) and you would never be able to have a calling where you worked with children. That would leave you jobs in the church where you worked alone, like cleaning the toilets on a Saturday when the kids are gone. You would be a pariah and would not be welcome in either the family or the singles wards. Most likely you would never work in the "morridor" (Mormon corridor) of Idaho-Utah-Arizona because such excommunications are announced in priesthood meetings. There is no question that his employment as a role model/public motivational speaker would be over.

I have no proof of this, but my gut tells me that Jodi Arias planted child porn on Travis' computer. Records show she accessed the computer during the visit. He didn't know she did it until she told him as part of her final blackmail attempt. She wanted to capture the look on his face when she told him--that's what the closeup camera shoot was about. You can see the strange look on his face where he seems to be realizing something. He's realizing she's a monster bent on destroying him. He knew what this would mean--even if he deleted it, it still would be "there". Sharing some speculation here and welcoming comments pro/con.

Hope you find this background helpful.

Anagrammy

"We see things not as they are but as we are" ~ Anais Nin

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: December 04, 2014 12:52PM

I think your analysis is pretty good and holds together with the intent that if Jodi couldn't have him, no one could. She just took the making him into a pariah a step further.

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: December 04, 2014 02:09PM

I watched a lot of the original trial and the many interviews, and articles.
You have hit on much of the background that is helpful for outsiders to understand. She proved she was a lying, conniving, manipulating, violent girl with serious mental health problems.
I'll be surprised if she doesn't get the death penalty.
But either way, she'll spend the majority of her life in prison. She is apparently adjusting very well from what I have read.

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Posted by: dinah ( )
Date: December 04, 2014 02:18PM

Nicely done! Great explanation.

Funniest thing to me about her original testimony was her insistence that she didn't want to "de-edify" him. Ridiculous Mormon stuff.

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: December 05, 2014 02:53PM

dinah Wrote:
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> Nicely done! Great explanation.
>
> Funniest thing to me about her original testimony
> was her insistence that she didn't want to
> "de-edify" him. Ridiculous Mormon stuff.


De'edify is not a Mormon term I ever heard of. She got a lot of stuff mixed up !

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Posted by: adoylelb ( )
Date: December 04, 2014 02:45PM

I've followed the first trial, and some of the penalty phase which seems to drag on as long as the original trial did. I really think that she's a danger to society, and will kill again if she's allowed out so she should get at least life without parole. I also think she planted whatever porn on his computer as a way to destroy his life by ruining his standing in the church, and since she butchered him, she's tried to destroy his reputation with the allegations of abuse and pedophilia.

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Posted by: anonymous trial watcher ( )
Date: December 04, 2014 08:58PM

"He would have had to qualify to perform the baptism in the first place by having an interview. Since lying Arias said the oral sex in the car after the baptism was their first encounter, he must have passed the interview and therefore the who-corrupted-who torch passes to Arias. Is it more or less likely that a man on probation, so to speak, who has worked his way up to qualifying to baptize some would immediately risk it all to have himself serviced by a woman to whom he has been preaching the gospel? A woman he thinks whose life he is changing?"


I don't think this argument will work in this situation.
Trying to stay worthy of using his penishood doesn't make him innocent to sex.
They both had sex before they met each other. They both were attracted to each other. I can't imagine how 'tempting' their position when both had sex prior to meeting each other. Once you bring that car out of the garage it's easy to take it out again, and again.


A celebration is a time when people normally show love toward each other. When people are attracted to each other that can and usually does lead to sex. Baptism was a celebration. I think the word corrupt is not appropriate in this case. I don't think he was being corrupted by her. single Mormons have normal sexual arousals. He acted on them previously and I don't buy that she corrupted him to act on it again. He acted on it because he was used to acting on it and he liked her, a lot.

I was a staunch single tbm with raging hormones. I dated guys who were tbm with raging hormones. Like TA I wasn't in the meet-and-marry-in-a-month group. That's a difficult position. What to do with all those hormones while dating? My dates and I didn't have sex, but did a lot of other stuff and only my fiance and I went to the bishop once. (it ended when I discovered he was into porn. for real. He never told the bishop.)
Otherwise none of the other guys came clean about our intimacy. TA's reactions were common to the guys I knew except that he'd had sex before and the guys I dated hadn't. (at least they told me they hadn't.) Lying is the foundation of mormonism. I learned that when I was single. The last thing a single person wants to do is come clean about anything sexual in case you'll get coerced to marry a person. It would be even harder if both had sex previously.

Porn is one of the biggest mormon addictions you've got that right. next to food. I dropped a guy when I discovered that he had no sense of moral age limits. He didn't admit to child porn but neither did it register that the legal age is 18. After a few conversations revealed his inability to fully grasp age, caused me to dump him that day. I had no idea about his confusion previous to finding his porn stash. It was a real shocker. He kept denying it even when I linked to the exact pages! I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't gone through it. Even while I went through it I still didn't believe it. He was a master deceiver. He was so sweet and everybody loved him.

If anything her predicament was worse, as a new mormon she wouldn't be able to grasp the complex nature of the law of chastity. TA already had trouble obeying the law of chastity. He was no innocent. Neither of them were.

The problem was that she thought if she gave him what he liked -- sex, he'd love her and want her. um no, that doesn't always work in the mormon world. If you're dealing with messed up people in mormonism, which both were, it wouldn't work and it didn't work. I broke up with a lot of guys because they were too sexually oriented. They were worthy enough for me. I broke up with guys because there wasn't a sexual chemistry. There was no pleasing me. Mormonism is a breeding ground for sexual sh*tstorms. If you're not the meet-and-marry type you can have a hard time of it.

The more sex she gave the more he hated her and didn't want her. She'd give him anything and that was the problem. You don't give a mormon guy all kinds of sex, whatever fantasy they want sex - - that would be a nightmare. She was ill equipped to understand the bizare mentality in the single mormon sexual game world. TA was a sexual mormon nightmare to begin with. She gave too much of what he wanted and he didn't want it. She wasn't good mormon marriage material. Both of them wanted too much sex and he backed off.

Even in the crazy mormon world you'd break up and walk away from each other.

The mormon sex thing can f* with anybodies head, much less a newly converted woman with undiagnosed psychotic disorders or a man with psycho parent role model issues.
Two people who had lots of sexual hang-ups, one with a fear of marriage, one with a psychotic disorder, try to make the mormon law of chastity work.

It doesn't justify her slaughtering him.
This is one example of crazy pushing crazy past the crazy limits.

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Posted by: MCR ( )
Date: December 05, 2014 02:14PM

Wow. Very good psychological analysis. You just wrote a good novel.

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Posted by: belle ( )
Date: March 23, 2017 11:00PM

Finally, Some one got it right...It take two to tangle and both looked like they both were willing to participate.

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Posted by: NOT an Admirer of Travis ( )
Date: December 05, 2014 01:30PM

Somebody wrote:

"Arias threatened to ruin Travis' reputation even after death by threatening his surviving siblings that she would tell the court he had a child porn problem-unless they agreed to take the death penalty off the table. This is what is being tried right now in Arizona - Life in Prison or Death for a despicable human being with scarcely a redeeming quality who murdered a man admired by everyone, the pillar of his family. Rest in peace, Travis Alexander."


Travis Alexander was a LYING HYPCRITE of the WORST KIND!!! He helped people with the expectation they would become salespeople for him, to increase his profit. He made money NOT by selling pre-paid legal insurance, but by recruiting OTHERS to sell pre-paid legal insurance. On the NIGHT he baptized Jodi Arias, he has sex with her! He would continue to go to Church every Sunday, even giving Elder's Quorum lessons, while meeting her for secret sexual adventures, for example, having her dress as a Catholic schoolgirl, tying her to a tree, and sodomizing her, or, having her call up on the phone and using a voice of a 12 year of girl, and masturbating to that. So....NOT EVERYBODY admires Travis Alexander. I certainly DO NOT. If Travis was a "Pillar" of his family, then his family must be composed of some of the worst types of human beings. Travis Alexander was TRAILOR TRASH....NAY...worse. He called himself a Latter-day Saint, and pretended to be, while living a completely different life secretly. He was a HYPROCRITE.

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Posted by: The StalkerDog™ ( )
Date: December 06, 2014 05:19AM

NOT an Admirer of Travis Wrote:
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> Somebody wrote:
>
> "Arias threatened to ruin Travis' reputation even
> after death by threatening his surviving siblings
> that she would tell the court he had a ctake the deat

> Travis Alexander was a LYING HYPCRITE of the WORST
> KIND!!! He helped people with the expectation they
> would become salespeople for him, to increase his
> profit. He made money NOT by selling pre-paid
> legal insurance, but by recruiting OTHERS to sell
> pre-paid legal insurance. On the NIGHT he
> baptized Jodi Arias, he has sex with her! He would
> continue to go to Church every Sunday, even giving
> Elder's Quorum lessons, while meeting her for
> secret sexual adventures, for example, having her
> dress as a Catholic schoolgirl, tying her to a
> tree, and sodomizing her, or, having her call up
> on the phone and using a voice of a 12 year of
> girl, and masturbating to that. So....NOT
> EVERYBODY admires Travis Alexander. I certainly DO
> NOT. If Travis was a "Pillar" of his family, then
> his family must be composed of some of the worst
> types of human beings. Travis Alexander was
> TRAILOR TRASH....NAY...worse. He called himself a
> Latter-day Saint, and pretended to be, while
> living a completely different life secretly. He
> was a HYPROCRITE.
===========================================
But he did not deserve to die for that, especially in such a horrifying way!

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: March 23, 2017 11:20PM

We only have Jody's word for some.of that, but I do agree he didnt treat her well and led her on.

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Posted by: siobhan ( )
Date: December 05, 2014 02:37PM

We can agree to disagree on this but I think the world is better off with both of them out of circulation.

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Posted by: azcrazy ( )
Date: December 06, 2014 05:17AM

The retrial of the Jodi Arias case is a joke. The only reason that it's still dragging on is so the prosecutors office (and Juan Martinez) can get another notch on their belts with a death penalty conviction while all of this wastes millions in tax payer dollars.

As part of this circus they have painted Travis to be a saint. He in no way deserved to die, especially in such a horrible manner, but he was a womanizer and a hypocrite and certainly no saint. Martinez has painted him has a good LDS boy which he was anything but. He was quintessential liar who "worked" with lowlife MLM groups.

On top of this the family has managed to milk this tragedy to their benefit by raising hundreds of thousands of dollars that they have spent on personal things like getting their teeth capped after years of meth use.

The whole fundraising aspect doesn't make sense here either. For example: If my brother were killed why would they need to do a fund raiser for me? Only my spouse or kids would need it, and Travis had neither.

Just offer her life without parole and end this madness.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: March 23, 2017 11:15PM

Porn is one thing. Child porn is quite another issue. I dont see any reason to take Arias' word on the subject, but being accused of such a thing is a big deal and can land you in jail even if you are just watching. I know Travis was dead, but such a charge would have besmirched his reputation. I would be very upset if someone accused someone in my family of such a thing.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: March 23, 2017 11:19PM

I dont think Travis was evil, but he certainly didnt treat Arias very well. It seems she was good enough to sleep with, but not good enough to marry. He broke up with her and then slept with her in secret. He led her on. He didnt deserve what happened to him, but he wasnt a saint or anything close to it.His religious life was also hypocritical.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2017 02:23AM by bona dea.

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