Had to go to a stake center yesterday. Washed my hands and noticed water was only cold. Asked the guy assigned to be janitor for the day...he said all 4 buildings in the stake were ordered to shut off hot water in order to save $, except for the baptismal tub.

where????

(a few more details ain't gonna reveal your identity!)

doesn't using hot water for washing hands (after using potty) help kill germs?


Maybe... members of that stake didn't hit their numbers of TRs, Temple Attendance, and TITHING; (maybe) this is the roll-out of dog's New Plan for incentives!!!! Yea Dog!

Sheesh!



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The new competition in stakes across the land...the race for the bottom.

All buildings in our stake have on-demand hot waters heaters at each sink.

Try using the restrooms in some of their public buildings downtown in SLC. While the hot water is not "off" if you turn it as hot as possible it **might** get luke warm (80 degrees Fahrenheit). Been that way for at least 10-15 years. Very unsanitary.

What a humble, downtrodden church the Mormon Church is! Undoubtedly, some members' testimonies will be strengthened by the resolve their branch is displaying in the face of such adversity.

What are some ways we could help this branch afford its electricity bill?

Obviously, $6,000,000,000 each year from tithing just isn't enough to cover the utilities. Perhaps you could suggest to the local members that they pitch in gold, jewellery, fine china. If the flock seem reluctant, remind them that the early members of the Church did not hesitate to donate everything they had to the glory of Gawd.

? That makes no plumbing sense... Unless there is a seperate water heater for the baptismal font, which I doubt. That would be the fixture tscc would be using least.

Let people be baptized in the rivers like Jesus. WWJD? He wasn't baptized in warm or hot water.

Well, baptisms are scheduled in advance. Maybe they turn the hot water heater back on a couple of hours before they need to fill the font?

For any kind of central hot water system, this makes no sense.

Additionally, if they closed the valve to each hot water line off the heater (possible with modern-ish Pex system), then you'd just get no water at all when you turn the valve, not cold water.

They may have turned the temp of the water down somewhat, but unlikely they turned it off.

Because baptisms are infrequent, they may turn the water temperature up before they fill the font, and turn it down again later.

Considering how much water it takes to fill a font would it not make sense to install a separate water heater for the font?

Let's wait for enough years to pass in which most of the essential building maintenance is not done (let alone small things like the hot water), and all the buildings begin to crumble.

Rot you can see.

No hot water would give me pause when I thought about the hands that prepared the sacrament, just sayin'...

... or lack of wet wipes or hand sanitizer.

Hot water does not make washing hands sanitized folks.

It is the soap, the scrubbing for a decent length of time (15 seconds is recommended/sing Happy Birthday twice) and rinsing.

Hot or warm water is a comfort thing, not a necessity.

If you were to kill germs with heated water, it would need to be boiling to do the job properly. In return, you would get 3rd degree burns.

RMM

If the water is cold people are going to put their hands in water and immediately pull them out, not wash for at least 20 seconds as recommended by the CDC.

Health codes require at least warm water to wash hands. Unless there's a religious exemption I don't know about.

Was told by a Doctor that soap that is made to kill germs is the thing that does the trick - that hot water is not important.

Well, that could be true. I am stating general municipal codes. I once started a small business and even though I was the only person running the place, Orem wouldn't give me a license until I had a water heater. The landlord bought a tiny one and I installed it. I,m pretty sure most cities want the hot water to work in any occupied building.

Hand washing instructions for children usually include the advice to wash with soap and to vigorously rub your hands with the soapy mixture for as long as it takes to sing the "Happy Birthday" song twice.

Cold water will discourage that.

Hand washing is more amout removing germs rather than killing them.

Where were you when I was just trying to explain this to my sister?

LOL. I have to laugh somtimes at how neurotic everyone has become.

I guess it's a consequence of America becoming more urban over the years. I look around and everhone is afraid to touch any thing or surface that they don't personally own. Maybe it's time to bring back dress gloves as standard apparal.

I'm just piling on now, but I also read in an Ask Marilyn column that the temperature of the water had nothing to do with getting hands clean. Whether people will wash in cold water or what building codes require are still relevant questions though.

Like the top 15 not making enough money already...

How rich. You can be baptized in hot water (presumably to burn your sins off) but once in TSCC you can't get warm water to clean the germs off your hands. Only special before your magical bath. Afterwards, you're just another number/tithepayer.

If this happened in CA it would be expected as much of the area is in a very, very bad drought.

A few years back the Dunseith, North Dakota branch had the water lines freeze. SLC would not pay to have them thawed. All winter we had NO water. Had to have the kids driven a mile away to a gas station to use the bathroom.

Seems the heater was turned down too much during the week and 30-40 below temps outside did the rest.

The church finally broke the lease(after spending more than $40,000 upgrading the building) and moved the congregation about 35 miles South to Rugby, ND - further from the Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation. There they lease another commercial building, spending a ton once again.

What kind of idiots refuse to thaw pipes when they know babies and children are in the mix?

I believe you.

As a member I belonged to a Stake Centre that was knows for not having hot water. There was hot water but it took forever to warm up, lasted very little and then once it was gone, you had to wait until at least the next day to start seeing lukewarm water again. This was awful on busy days or activity days, especially youth conferences where we were left to clean the kitchen with ice cold water (this is Canada after all).

After years of suffering the Stake was renovated. I'm sure it cost a lot of money to renovate and you'd think that the water problem would be fixed. Nope. Rumour had it that it was too pricey to fix the problem with the pipes or whatever the issue was. The stake look renovated from the outside for the water problem remains to this day.

For the LDS leadership money seems to be more important than people.

Each region (roughly correspondent to a mission) has a maintenance group coordinator. He has an annual budget for reforms and maintenance. His boss is pleased in direct proportion to unused money at the end of the year.

The coordinator may have already spent all his budget for 2014 and is trying to make it last to january, or he may be wanting a promotion and is trying to save a large portion of it.

I had trouble with a guy trying to do the later when I was a bishop. The chapel was in terrible state and the guy was always trying to sidestep me.

I forgot to mention that money magically appeared when GAs came to visit. The Chapel was painted and the garden was completely remade. Everything broken was fixed and the GAs mentioned how grateful they were to be in such a well maintained chapel.

I am sure it is less about expense and more the concern of LDS about their carbon footprint and their actions affecting climate change.