From a family member currently on a mission. Apparently are teaching new ways of manipulation and of course calling it "inspiration".

"Lots of meetings took place last week Zone conference, Stake Presidency meeting and Mission Leadership Council so I definitely learned lots! At MLC my mission president showed us this tracting technique that he was given by a mission president currently serving in Colorado that has changed how they find in their mission. I think that it is super inspired now that I have actually done it but to be frank I was a little skeptical at first. Basically its a survey and it has an 8 step approach for us at the door. The purpose of it is to get you sitting down in their home to teach a lesson and/or to set up a return apt. The survey has 10 questions such as, Is a strong family important to you? Have you ever asked yourself "where did I come from", "why am I here" and "where am I going after this life?" This questions really help you to follow the spirit on what to teach them first and follow the spirit on how to deliver it in a way that they will feel the spirit! The door step is super bold, when they answer the door you introduce yourself, not the church, and ask for their name. Introduce the survey and give them a taste of it by saying the first question and then step forward and say "May we step in?" Haha super bold but it works!! Then we say "Straight through?" and they lead us to the couch. After we give the survey we tell them something like, "we have a message that goes hand in hand with this survey and that it is of a spiritual nature so we like to start with a prayer. Would you like to say that or would you like one of us to?" The promise is that they always let you pray.
So like I said before, I was a little skeptical at first but the promise is that if you believe you will get in, you will. If you don't, you wont. So I felt good trusting in the Lord on this after the assistants testified of how they tried it and it works."

This is fucked up on so many different levels. I feel so bad for these missionaries.

Disgusting how dishonest, aggressive sales techniques and results of a "survey" question are said to be "following the spirit."

Sheesh.

Who is sitting around twiddling their thumbs saying. "Damn, I wish some cult, salesmen would show up with a fake survey"

The first question I would ask is a survey for what? I would be sure to tell them at the door that I spend about 0 minutes a day worrying about religious nonsense.

So it's not actually a survey, it's just a lie to get into people's homes. Trained in the ways of lying for the Lord.

Exactly and these naive missionaries have no idea the way they are being manipulated and the way they are manipulating people in the name of the lard.

They stole that from the JW's. I get a pair of them at least once a month. I burn their sales approach before I tell them I'm not interested. I'm kinda mean that way. I can't help it, I have nothing better to do if I am at home.

They did this when I was young already!!
I remember going on member splits with the mishies and doing the fake survey thing..


But I'll tell you one thing, if two strange men tried to walk 'straight through' into my house, somebody will end up injured.. and it won't be me...

Gonna be interesting how far the mishies go into spilling their spiel before they have to mention Horny Joe.

Methinks that would mark the end of any investigator's curiosity.

Yeah it will be interesting now that the essays are all over the media of the effects it will have on the missionaries that have no clue for the most part whatsoever of the problems that church is facing.

Doesn't scientology start with a survey?

The first step to a mind control cult is to lie about why you are approaching them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNSe5XYp6E

Alarm systems, pest control, cleaning products, and cheesy church-themed kid videos.


Sounds about right.



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This is not a new technique. My ex used the survey ruse when he was on a mission back in the 70's!

A total stranger knocks on my door. I have no clue who they are or if they represent anyone or anything. They want to know my name. I would NEVER give my name in that situation! What's wrong with people?

If this does happens to me, i'll simply close the door. If i'm in a good mood, I may ask "what is wanted?".



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Hahaha that would be awesome! They might even be tempted to do the old shake the dust off their feet curse if you did that.

That is SO creepy.

Re-inventing the wheel- used this back in the early 80's as a stake missionary.

And it didn't work all that well then. People aren't stupid and easily see through this stuff. Those who are looking for something will listen to whatever. Those who are savvy and secure in their lives won't waste time on some survey with clear and ulterior motives IMO.

I am not letting some pair of strangers I met 30 seconds ago into my house!

Elders: "We have a survey that we'd like you to take."

Me: "Where will the results of the survey be published?"

Crickets.

Me: "That's what I thought."

New my ass. This goes back to at least the 1960s. More reinventing the wheel brought to you by your inspired wheelwrights.

I was taught to do the same thing on my mission in the early nineties. It never worked and we didn't end up doing it very much.

We had an answer to the "where will the results be published" question, but our response was a well intentioned lie.

"The promise is that they always let you pray."

I'd love this opportunity to make them squirm.
"Dear Allah. Please help guide these poor, confused, lost, pedophile worshiping, polygamy approving souls to see the ways of their evilness.
Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar
Ameen"

How can I change the doorbell from a "ding dong" sound to the sound of a shotgun getting loaded?

AS I recall, those were called the Golden Questions back in 50s/60s.

They didn't even say anything about the lds church for several minutes. They kept making small talk and repeated themselves several times. It was obvious they were trying to avoid bringing up the church. It was very obviously fake--the big clue being they told me I looked nice. I had just returned from a walk in the rain and wind . . . I told them that I knew that actually I didn't look nice (I knew they weren't saying I was a nice person). Anything to avoid the topic.



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It also sounds like the Multi-Level Marketing cultist's recruiting techniques:

"Do you want financial freedom?"
"Do you want the life you deserve?"
"Do you want to spend more time with your family?"
"How much do you want to earn a month? $1000? $5000? $20,000?"

The Multi Level Marketers also try to postpone as long as possible into The Pitch that it's Herbalife or Vemma or whatever. Very deceptive.

"I'm doing a survey"
"No you're not. you are not interested in any answers I may give, you are not going to keep them or perform any statistical analysis, So. if you start lying within the first five seconds of trying to recruit me, how can I trust anything you subsequently say"

So let me get this straight. In order for God to have his message cover the Earth, he has inspired his missionaries and leaders to use manipulation tactics? Doesn't sound like a very powerful God.

We would stop and say we're canvassing an the area would they like to take part in a survey.

It sounds kinda like the same questions in fact. This was in England and the whole "Families are Forever" approach and the song, "I'll Build you a Rainbow" was going big.

I just want to beg forgiveness to all the people who I took these phony surveys from. A waste of time and a manipulation that was wrong.

Used a survey technique in Europe to add people to the teaching pool in the 90s. These 18 to 26 year olds are morons while drinking the kool-aid. Those zone conference training sessions were all fecal matter. One MP cant make his numbers so he reaches out to another MP with measured success for ideas to spin to his salesforce. More manipulation. Nothing more.