I promise myself to marry out of the temple, where me and my husband will promise to love each other, and he will give himself to me and not just recieve me.

maybe tbms will learn from my example.

There is an idea needing promotion! I wonder how many people have to wait outside or in another building before TBMs en mass do the logical thing - marry civilly first!

I hope my kids do. I'm going to ask them to.

Absolutely beautiful. A well prepared for life union is a thing of joy. May you find the love and life friend you so richly deserve.

I married my wife 41+ years ago in a civil ceremony. The word "obey" was not used in our vows. And we are so devoted to and so much in love with each other, that I would not have believed it possible back then. I am truly lucky and happy.

Ron Burr

Ron Burr, reading what you wrote makes my tail wag!

You rock!

I sure do wish it could be so for ever'body!

So do I. I know it take a lot of hard work to make a marriage successful.

RB

Geez Ron...that's not what your wife told me over dinner the other night after the movie!

Just teasin' you Bro!

Or so it seems to me...

Almost fooled me there, bro...almost.

RB

If I were a person I think I would like to make my vows to my spouse and NOT to a church or institution. I'd also like to have "love" in the vows somewhere.

In a marriage there should only be spouses, not a church crowding in! It makes the bed too dang crowded for one thing!

But I'm only a dog so what do I know?

During the polygamy era the marriages were not civil marriages.
Now days a temple marriage is also a civil marriage, as it is
recognized by and registered with the local governmental
authorities.

When my grandmother married my grandfather, however, it was not
a civil marriage. She was 17 and he was 34 and was already
married and had kids. Their arrangement was not only not
recognized by, or registered with the government, it was
completely illegal.

When Brigham Young was sued for divorce and alimony by Eliza
Webb his defense in court was that their "arrangement" was not a
legal marriage, but only an ecclesiastical thing. The courts
agreed with Young's position.

Now the fact that my grandmother was not legally married to my
grandfather meant that she had no legal right to take him to
court for support of her or her children by him. In her
autobiography she specifically mentions how she had to work her
whole life to support herself and her children.

Also, since she was in this cult-created sexual relationship
with the already-married man, that meant she was not available
for a REAL marriage with a man who would have loved and
supported her.

She got the worst of both worlds.

Isn't is wonderful? Isn't is marvelous?

LDS Inc. has been built on the backs of many poor and abused people. Add to this their "revelation" that women should suffer polygamy and being single mothers and you have The One True Church.

Sick. And like a rancid wine it ages well because everyone agrees on the myths of its wonderful taste. Only when you open the bottle up and take a sip do you get sick from the foundations of Mormonism.

They have the essays up on the LDS.org site and still people will ignore that it is poison.

By the way, my grandmother is a counter-example to the oft
quoted lie that polygamy was just to take care of widows. In
the first place she wasn't a widow, she as a teenager. In the
second place she wasn't taken care of.

So totally wrong on both counts.

Let's all renew our vows!

I like the idea of temple-married ex-Mormons making a renewal of their vows, as part of their celebration of being cult-free. They could make it up to each other for not even saying they loved each other. They could make it up to family members and friends that were excluded from their temple ceremony. They could write their own vows, have the ceremony outdoors, include their children--whatever they want.

It would be so cool for a large group of temple ex-Mormons to have a mass vow-renewal ceremony, like a mass wedding I saw on TV a few years ago, in Italy. They could have it in protest of Mormon temple marriages. Some important dignitary could preside, like a Supreme Court judge, or something.

Yeah.. you could do that. I'll just take the wife over to the Caribbean islands and have the moment to ourselves.


We wouldn't want to mimic this bogus type of mass wedding - remarriage celebration.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/2500-couples-marry-mass-wedding-moonies-church-south-korea-1436150

and it sure felt good, I especially recall the
part where he said I do and until death do we part, to have and tohold, in sickness and health, in good times and in bad times


it was time for us, to ecerybody else, in the temple fhey make ig clear its everyones time, you ade sudrounded by brides getting dressed in a room instead of hour bridemaids

sorry

in the temple it is not about you
it is not about the bride
the brides get dressed in the same room
diminishing them, lessening tne, negating their
significance

by being surrounded by other brides, rather tha bridesmaids