This is calculated from the LDS Provident Living Welfare fact sheets for 2009 and 2010

Total Humanitarian Assistance given (1985 - 2010) $1.3 billion
Total Humanitarian Assistance given (1985 - 2009) $1.212 billion

Perhaps Christ has better things for His Church to spend money on...

...why don't they just outright lie about these figures? Since the books aren't open, can't they say they gave 2 billion?

I don't understand why the members claim they give so much when the numbers don't seem to agree....

No tithing funds go to Humanitarian Aid.
This money comes from other donations.

In 2004, Gordon B. Hinkley said in GC that since 1982 the church has spent 750 million dollars on humanitarian aid throughout the world. Now, for approximately the same time frame they have now spent 1.2 billion. That's almost 500 million more, folks. Even at that, if you do the math, that works out to $0.50 per member per month. In that same time frame, I paid them hundreds of dollars per month.

Gordon was not renowned for his straight talking...

What bugs me is that humanatarian aid is a seperate category on the tithing slip. This indicates that the Church itself doesn't pay squat to "humanatarian aid" since it is a optional fund available for members to donate to at will. That begs the question of whether or not tithing dollars are even used for cahriatable purposed at all, and if it is how much?

The vast majority of the LD$ Inc's income goes to the continued indoctrination of its members-
BYU-$ 1.5 Billion or more.
Then there is CES, where seminary instructors are paid positions in the morridor.
Construction of Temples and church buildings-close to another Billion, where members are indoctrinated weekly.

Its expensive to indoctrinate people. Who has the time or the means to actually do some good in the world?

You have to spend money to make money...

Which would bring up their annual humanitarian aid budget to around $500 - $900 million (given the rough estimates of how much they take in).

If you are going ask your members to give 10% on the gross, you should as well.

I don't understand your figures.
The $87.8 million is the annual spend so not sure I get your 500-900 million figure?

if LDS, Inc itself practiced tithing. Tithing the tithes, in other words. If LDSCorp takes in $5 to $9 billion a year, then they should at least be donating 10% of that amount annually as humanitarian aid. Instead, it is a mere $88 million.

Got it, thanks.
The Church in one of it's PR pieces stated it was spending $1 million dollars a day on City Creek's development.

It is the most hypocritical organisation I have ever had the misfortune to be part of...

Could they break that down for us?

Humanitarian assistance is such a broad term.

It probably includes the cost of medical care for all those gA geezers and their families.

Boyd's oxygen tank could be considered humanitarian aid.

Just sayin.

Villager is exactly right. Where did that "humanitarian" money go? To whom was it paid? What worthy causes benefitted from our generous donations? Hmmmm?

They rake in BILLIONS with a 'B' and a 'S'. The least they could do is spend one Billion on helping others.

jon Wrote:
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> This is calculated from the LDS Provident Living
> Welfare fact sheets for 2009 and 2010
>
> Total Humanitarian Assistance given (1985 - 2010)
> $1.3 billion
> Total Humanitarian Assistance given (1985 - 2009)
> $1.212 billion
>
> Perhaps Christ has better things for His Church to
> spend money on...

Where are you getting your numbers? These don't reflect what's on the LDS site.

http://newsroom.lds.org/facts-and-stats

The LDS provident living fact sheet on the LDS provident living website.
http://www.providentliving.org/pdf/2010_WELFactSheet_English.pdf

To get the 2009 fact sheet just amend '2010' in the web address to '2009'.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2011 03:41PM by jon.

jon Wrote:
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> The LDS provident living fact sheet on the LDS
> provident living website.
> http://www.providentliving.org/pdf/2010_WELFactShe
> et_English.pdf
>
> To get the 2009 fact sheet just amend '2010' in
> the web address to '2009'.

Thanks. It's the same numbers. You've lumped the Cash donations
and "Value of material assistance" together to get your numbers.

When in fact, the church did NOT spend $1.3B on humanitarian aid since 1985. They spent closer to $350M in cash, and then attribute voluntary hours and donations of kind to the rest.

In other words, they gave a lot of crap away and call it money.

It's worse than most suspect.

You got it.

from the lds website (1985 to 2009):
Humanitarian Cash Donations $327.6M
Value of Humanitarian Material Assistance $884.6M

if you add the two lines together you get $1.212 B, which agrees with the figure on providentliving's website for 2009.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something (?)

They do if you lump dollar value of service and donations in kind with the cash. The OP's subject line says "For 2010 the Church has spent $87.8 million dollars on Humanitarian Aid..."

Which is unintentionally misleading. For 2010, the church did not spend $87.8 million dollars. They collected probably about $18M in cash and a few more million in worthless crap with volunteer hours and called it $75M of worth on top of the cash.

The church is not only trumpeting its donations, it's upgrading them dishonestly.

I agree.

I did not mean to mislead. Apologies.

Jon, I am not accusing you of it. sorry if that came off that way.

I am accusing LDSinc of it. The statistic of $87.8M is even paltry for a church collecting upwards of $10B a year. And what's worse, $87.8M is about a 5x inflation of the truth.

It's pathetic.

Thanks, Jon for bringing up the topic.



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If the Church wants to publish that they have 14 million members then the level of Humanitarian aid equates to $6 per member last year...

Salvation Army spent about 3 billion last year alone and 3 billion the year before that.

The difference is they actually publish their financial statements

http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/www_usn_2.nsf/vw-dynamic-index/3F80BF21D8F61B7F8525743D0064057B?Opendocument

Sheez, the Sallies could have made a nice down payment on a mall with that, instead of wasting it on the needy. Lucky the true church knows where Jesus would put his money.

Stumbling Wrote:
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> This is calculated from the LDS Provident Living
> Welfare fact sheets for 2009 and 2010
>
> Total Humanitarian Assistance given (1985 - 2010)
> $1.3 billion
> Total Humanitarian Assistance given (1985 - 2009)
> $1.212 billion
>
> Perhaps Christ has better things for His Church to
> spend money on...

From the new fact sheet on lds Provident Living

Total Humanitarian assistance (1985 - 2011) 1.4 billion.

I just hope that LDS inc has all the money they need for all the things they want. I mean piss on me and all the other ppl who might not have houses. We dont need a house or a place to live..... or MORmON Jesus would bless us up with one! thats for sure, thats the way MORmON Jesus is, and its for damn sure that LDS INC/ the MORmON church and MORmON Jesus needs a new mall!
a bigger better nicer newer MORE EXPENSIVE Mall because that other empty piddling little Cross Roads mall thing just wasnt up to MORmON standards.

I hope they have enough money to throw another 5 billion into the mall if needed to keep it going and PRofitable! I hope they can build another mall just like it in provo..... and in OGden and build a dedicated lite rail line that connects all three of the things, just for the glory of God! And how about a 5 billion dollar Mall in St George too.

I hope they have enough Money to fund Mitt Romney buying his way into the whitehouse. I hope they have enough Money to bribe the olympics back to Utah again. no doubt once Mitt Romney is elected, Mitt can use his US presidential and former Oly head influence to bring the olympics back to Utah. I hope LDS Inc has enough money to have a 5 x lifesize pure gold statues cast of Gordon Hinckley and mounted at the entrance of every temple, and every Mall across the U.S.A. because thats just how great Hinckley and MORmONISM really is. I hope that LDS Inc has enough money that the MORmON apostles can just burn cash in their fireplaces next winter. most of all I just hope that LDS inc and the MORmON elite have the money to do what ever they want!
MORmON god knows they deserve it !

I've started a new one titled 'LDS Church actions v words'

Same subject matter.