While both from separate families, each are children of parents who are Second Anointing recipients and will themselves therefore be automatically assured exaltation along with their wives.

The conundrum for TSCC is that one is a diligent Stake President who attends all his countless meetings and is enduring to the end, while the other hasn't been active for many years and has no interest whatsoever in the church.

The latter recently married his non-member girlfriend thousands of miles away and his SP friend was able to attend the wedding.

What a peculiar situation that according to mormon doctrine both will end up in the highest degree of the celestial kingdom - somewhat regardless of how they've lived their lives.

Now this would be an interesting discussion topic for a gospel doctrine class.

It's weird isn't it. Steve Benson is another who I assume is guaranteed heaven due to his grandfather.

Also David Cook has some inactive children I believe.

Infact, I bet altogether there are hundreds of people alive today who are guaranteed the Celestial Kingdom that don't go to church. Think of all the descendents of early church leaders. Some of them might not even know what a mormon is!

However most Mormons still don't know anything about this. If they did, I'm sure a lot of them wouldn't be very happy about it... No doubt that's why the church leaders keep all this secret.

. . . by Grandpa ETB at one of our regualr General Conference-timed Benson family reunions.

The closest ETB ever came to telling us how great and marvelous the Bensons were in repeated a favorite family tale on how GA Alma Sonne said that the Benson clan was "second to none in the Church."

Whatever.

The real qualification is loyalty to the men who lead the church, not to the church doctrine. Somehow they managed to kiss up enough to please their masters. Sounds more like how hell would be run than heaven.

second anointing that says your children will be saved in the Celestial Kingdom?

How do you know this?

Our very own Tom P confirmed that your kids are guaranteed exaltation as part of the parent's blessing.

Does the parent blessing guarantee just the immediate family OR does it go beyond to the extended family.

For example, Hyrum Smith's great, great, grand daughter, Ida Smith, fell for a fraud in 2007 and was exed because she is now following another schism of Mormonism.

Will she be saved by Hyrum from outer darkness according to the Mormon doctrine?

Sherlock is right.

From Tom Phillips, My Second Anointing Experience: http://www.mormonthink.com/files/tom-phillips-second-anointing.pdf

QUOTE from the Second Anointing Ordinance:
"…and thou shalt have power to redeem thy progenitors and thou shalt have POWER OVER THY POSTERITY AND SHALL SAVE ALL OF THEM AND BRING THEM INTO THY KINGDOM…” (emphasis added)

If you have been to the temple, The Second Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood, the Patriarchal Grip, or Sure Sign of the Nail given just before passing through the veil has the following assigned name, “Health in the navel, marrow in the bones, strength in the loins and in the sinews, power in the Priesthood be upon me, AND UPON MY POSTERITY through all generations of time, and throughout all eternity.”

The word posterity is one’s descendants (not just immediate children). If the second anointing recipient is being anointed to a guaranteed status in a godhead (which in Mormon theology only happens in the highest degree of the celestial kingdom) then having power to "save all of them and bring them into thy kingdom" is self explanatory and requires little debate (imo).

Thanks jiminycricket.

I guess at least one of my pioneer ancestors perhaps had the 2nd anointing. Seemed to be a lot more common among the higher ranks of the church 150 years ago than it is today. I guess I'm saved from darkness and the cold.

Who is the "thy" in "bring them into thy kingdom"?

Does that mean you will be their God when you achieve Godhood?

And yet everyone accuses mormons of believing they are only saved by works.

So which is it?

I think it is that....UNTIL you or someone in your family gets that 2nd anointing...then it's a get out of jail free card...So Benson is still a candidate for CK exaltation??? Good for him.

Is there any way to find out if you are a descendant of someone who received their second anointing? Hubby has numerous ancestors on both sides of the family who joined the church at the very beginning and who held somewhat higher callings.

I suppose somewhere it might have been recorded. Good luck!

According to this page, at least one set of hubby's great great great grandparents received their second anointing: http://www.lds-mormon.com/second_anointing_part4.shtml

So I guess hubby and kids are "saved" and we can use this the next time his parents start their "humble yourselves" and come back to the church BS, lol

Does this apply to bloodline only or to polygamous decedents who are related by 'marriage'.

Let us know how that is received. Do they even know about the 2nd anointing? Maybe, as Mormon royalty. But I didn't....

As I've said before, I don't think the Top 15 really believe in the Second Anointing. So why should anyone else? It appears to me to be an incentive for mid-level managers not to fall away from the church. The Top 15 undoubtedly have an entirely different set of rewards and controls among themselves.

I hope Adam and Eve received their second anointing, that way we're all covered....

When you think about it, the second anointing throws the plan of salvation under the bus....

ya think...lol

The single largest group in the CK is still going to be children who died before age 8. The exalted Mormons will probably be expected to raise them as foster miniGods. No getting your own planet and no eternal nookie until you are released from that calling.

Wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth? :)

So the CK is going to be like the book, The Lord of the Flies, where kids younger than 15 run the whole show??? That'll be entertaining to watch the the Terrestrial or Telestial Kingdom..

And most of those who died before age 8 will be black (seed of Cain). How will racists such as BY feel about being outnumbered by blacks or other ethnicities?

Oh, of course, they will turn white as in the BoM. Silly me, how could I possibly doubt or consider there could possibly be any inconsistencies in the divine plan of an anthropomorphic, polygamous, horny, jealous, angry God who commands us to love him or face drastic consequences for eternity.

Just as well it is all made up.

The only answer to all the questions re church doctrine and history is - Joseph made it up and kept changing his mind.

If Mormons would just believe and live for today they wouldn't have to worry so much what will happen tomorrow

Tom - can you please confirm if the SA covers just immediate children or grandchildren, great grandchildren etc?

One would also assume that since LDS doctrine is that exaltation occurs in pairs, that current/future marriage partners of SA children are also automatically covered too.

If so, the never baptised wife of the less active is in the exact same eventual boat as the diligent, stressed out wife of the SP?

Clearly it's all nonsense anyway, but it's still fun to see such very real LDS inconsistencies in action.

sherlock Wrote:
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> Tom - can you please confirm if the SA covers just
> immediate children or grandchildren, great
> grandchildren etc?
At the time I took it as covering children, not one would be lost, but on reflection it actually states POSTERITY.

> One would also assume that since LDS doctrine is
> that exaltation occurs in pairs, that
> current/future marriage partners of SA children
> are also automatically covered too.
Not necessarily spouses, but their children certainly = posterity.

> If so, the never baptised wife of the less active
> is in the exact same eventual boat as the
> diligent, stressed out wife of the SP?
No, as she is not posterity in the strict sense therefore she will need to prove her 'worthiness' to get to the CK or her husband will get another wife and the children another 'worthy' mother.

> Clearly it's all nonsense anyway, but it's still
> fun to see such very real LDS inconsistencies in
> action.
Yes, it is all nonsense and of absolutely no effect, so take my answers to the above questions for what they are worth - NOTHING.

Tom

Thanks. That's potentially a huge number of folk that effectively get a free pass. Just another reason why leadership would be uncomfortable with the masses knowing about this ordinance.