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twojedis
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Date: November 26, 2012 11:17AM
We went public on our FB pages about the stance the church has taken about our case. As a result, we've heard from some individuals and/or families who have stopped going to church since we have. They thought they were the only ones who doubted the doctrine and were relieved that they are not. I am getting the feeling that there are lots of rumblings under the surface of things in the ward, and they are running scared.
Two of my ward members and one of my Christian friends from high school got into a huge debate about the mark of Cain after I posted this quote from BY: "I will tell you who the real fanatics are: they are they who adopt false principles and ideas as facts, and try to establish a superstructure upon a false foundation...If our religion is of this character we want to know it; we would like to find a philosopher who can prove it to us." -Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol.13, pg270, 7/24/1870
One of the ward members said that the church never taught racism. I put the following quote from BY:
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, un- comely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race - that they should be the "servant of servants;" and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree. How long is that race to endure the dreadful curse that is upon them? That curse will remain upon them, [p.291] and they never can hold the Priesthood or share in it until all the other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood and the keys thereof. Until the last ones of the residue of Adam's children are brought up to that favourable position, the children of Cain cannot receive the first ordinances of the Priesthood. They were the first that were cursed, and they will be the last from whom the curse will be removed. When the residue of the family of Adam come up and receive their blessings, then the curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will receive blessings in like proportion." - (Journal of Discourses 7:290-291, October 9, 1859)
Both ward members said that this is not doctrine. I told them of course not, because it's embarrassing. Either the church needs to denounce the JOD and quit quoting it, or admit that it's all doctrine. Either it's Canon or it's not. You can't have it both ways.
To quote ambivalentexmo:
"Kinda feel like engaging in a superfun religious debate...
I like to play with my food.."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2012 11:18AM by twojedis.