Previously,

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints."

Now...

'Catholic by birth, Jewish by heritage, Muslims taught me tolerance, Hindus taught me that I'm beautiful, Quakers taught me how to be silent, and Mormons helped me find my spiritual voice, which is ironic given the latest news on its handling of people who speak too much. But I sit on a fence, closer to God, engaged in a lifelong conversation with Him...and I love every single person who helped me up here."

It is receiving immediate attention from Mormons and Non-mormons alike.

Even if you don't agree with my views, you've got to agree that what I just did was at least a teeny-tiny bit badass.

I love it!

Good job!

Your phone is a tool for your use and convenience. You don't have to answer it every time it rings. Screen your calls from TBMs if you don't feel like talking to them.

" .... Mormons helped me find my spiritual voice, which is ironic given the latest news on its handling of people who speak too much."

Love this -- may have to steal for my own use. Thanks!

I'm dying to hear about the phone call!

A missionary on my FB friend list opened a chat with me....almost immediately after the phone call.

I unfortunately don't have time to say more, because i have to run to work. I'm gonna keep you guys hanging until i come back.

Lady from my old ward in Iowa calls me, to "say hi". We have a pleasant conversation. Tell her about life in my new town, ask her about her kids and family. She casually asks about church life here, and i tell her about my new ward. I am genuine when I tell her I like the people in my ward here, and make sure during the course of the conversation that she knows damn well I'm still active. She seemed like she wanted to say or ask more, but wasn't sure how to proceed.

I know damn well she called me because of my changed religion status and my bitching about Twede on FB. I think she expected me to tell her I was pissed at the church. It wasn't what she got, and she was confused.

Right after, and i mean, right after, a missionary on my friends list opens a chat with me. It was the same damn thing with him. "Hi, Jackamormon! How are you?" I had a nice pleasant conversation with him too. I knew he was a month away from going home...I told him i was sending him an end-of-mission present, and that he can't open it until his last day. We chatted again about life in my new town, and his plans for after his mission. He, too, seemed confused.

I said something to this boy, when he told me he wasn't sure what he wanted to study in school. I said: "Do what you love, Elder Humperdink. God loves you and wants you to love others. It's so much easier to love others when you stop trying to please them."

Silence for a long time. I cut it short right after that comment, because I had to leave for work.

Did I scare him? Or is he listening?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2012 01:31PM by jackamormon.

Might be the best advice he has received. And quite possibly contrary to the other advice as well.

Jackamormon you are a badass. I thank you for sharing this and encourage others to follow the ways of your badassness.

Honestly, I do not agree that what you did was "badass" at all, even a teeny-bit.

Brave, yes, "badass" no.

To me the way you worded it made you look more "kiss ass" than "badass". Still brave, but still trying to make sure you didn't offend anyone.

Sorry, I know all sorts of mj haters will rant how I am being mean and rude, but I am simply responding to the claim that I have to agree that what you did was "badass". Sorry, but I do not.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2012 02:18PM by MJ.

No, I did NOT. I said to ME it made you LOOK like... You do know the difference between saying It "looks like" and "you are" RIGHT? I made a statement about how I perceive you, I never once actually accused you of asskissing.

Of course your misrepresenting what I said to attack me is a ruse to avoid my point, YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS TELLING ME WHAT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH.

And trust me, you are neither man enough or woman enough to kiss my ass.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/23/2012 12:51AM by MJ.

Isn't that what mormons are concerned with...what things "look like"?

i'm over that. that's why i'm here.

and i say this in the name of cheese 'n rice...eeeee-heee!

*moonwalks to bed*

If you really didn't care, you would not have had a problem with me saying what your behavior looks like to me. I was just explaining why I didn't think you are a badass, you are proving it more in your unjustified attacks.

Still, you have NO BUSINESS TELLING ME WHAT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/23/2012 12:58AM by MJ.

god, what are you, still thinking you're in church, where you were always told you had to agree? guess what? You're not, and neither am I.

don't agree. but don't expect me to smile and nod when you express it. that's something an @$$kiss would do, right?

there's a fine line between "kissing ass" and being gracious. I'd hope someone with the initials of the King of Pop might recognize that. guess not.

From your very first post, and I quote:

"you've got to agree that what I just did was at least a teeny-tiny bit badass."

Looks clear and unambiguous to me, you are telling readers (that would include me) what they have "got" to agree with.

So your claim "No one's telling you to agree." looks like a lie to me.

Again, I certainly do disagree. IMHO, what you did was not badass in the least.

And you have no business telling me or anyone else what the have "got" to agree with.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/23/2012 01:12AM by MJ.

Since I signed on to facebook I've listed my religious views and being "my own".

Ron Burr

Nice to state things the way you did...but have an issue with one of those.I think all who leave the LDS faith should proudly display their current thoughts on religion if not wanting to note their interest in one faith in particular.

Total #badass. That is all.

Mine says "Snake handler."

Thank you very much. I came out in my teens publicly and on my facebook religious views, resigned as soon as I could, and would encourage you to do the same.
I've only been 18 for two days now. I'm sure you can be much braver :) I love how you weren't hating on mormonism. That portrays us apostates in a bad light.

Great for you. I'm a high school teacher. I work with kids your age every day, and it is a constant reminder of who I was when I was younger.

I converted later on, in my late 20s. My story is very different from that of most people here, in that I came to mormonism entirely by choice (you might be thinking "why the hell...?", but that's a very long story for another day. Not one I'm ashamed of, either.).

I read stories here of people who have been very badly hurt by their experience as Mormons. I'm amazed by their stories and their bravery.

I do not stand to lose very much by leaving the church. My family is not in the church. I am not married. I have a handful of tbm friends...but in my mind and heart, my true friends will love and stay with me regardless of the path I choose. My estimate right now is that of those tbm friends, one may stand by my side.

My issue is my manner of exit. To me, it's very important that my exit is a graceful one. There are younger people watching me, and i want to do my very best to make it a teaching moment for them.

The fact that he said the we have got to agree that what he did was at least a little bit "badass". I resent being told what I have "got" to agree with, specially when I personally to not agree with what he said we have "got" to agree with.

It has nothing to do with him still being a theist or anything other than he was telling me what I have "got" to agree with.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/23/2012 01:22AM by MJ.

What bat shit is this? Should i learn from it?
I hate the sons and daughters of mormonism/bitches or should I say totally despise most of them especially the leaders.
But if the church is a stepping stone to progress elsewhere,
that is possible without any notion of eternal marrige and eternal sex, then SHOW ME THE WAY MAN?
Heaven then can only be on this earth if love and sex is the only real reward, which to me is more important than money but money did help a bit from inheritane but its not everything.

What is the everything, maybe the nothingness and total surrender of ego and hatered/anger is that what your saying dood?

Start your own relegion/cult and if its healing many will want to join...

LOVE PEACE to you too man, No one here in australia has yet
slaughteed a leader or run their car into a temple gutless bastards but there should be a first sooner or later.

Go save the world from bastards that want to hurt mormons.

larry...

Religion as organized belief and dogma is not religion at all. Religion is something entirely different from the mere acceptance of belief or the practice of a ritual. Religion, surely, is the process of freeing the mind from envy, from greed, from ambition, so that the self-centered activity of the 'I' no longer exists, and only such a mind is capable of pursuing in utter silence the movement of reality. That is why it is important to have a religious revolution - which is the only revolution - because mere economic revolution will inevitably fail.

The religious revolution of which I speak has nothing whatever to do with any established religion. On the contrary, to have this religious revolution, one must be free from all organized dogma and belief, for only then is the mind capable of experiencing that which is real. But unfortunately, most of us do not give time to this; we are too busy with our daily lives, with earning a livelihood, with the things of the world. Being too busy, we multiply mischief in the world, and then we say, ''What can I as an individual do?''

If you observe, you will see it is only the enlightened individual that is capable of doing anything, not the mass, not the collective; and the enlightened individual is one who has an inward knowledge of himself, of the activities of his own mind, the operations of his own thought. To be truly aware, not only of the workings of the superficial mind, but also of the unconscious, is the beginning of self-knowledge; and without self-knowledge there is self-deception, illusion; therefore, you can never find out what is truth.

Self-knowledge is the beginning of wisdom. This self-knowledge is not to be gathered from books, but you can find it for yourself through observing your daily relationship with your wife or husband, with your children, with your boss, with the conductor of the bus. It is through awareness of yourself in your relationship with another that you discover the workings of your own mind, and this understanding of yourself is the beginning of the freedom from conditioning. If you go into it deeply, you will find that the mind becomes very quiet, really still. This stillness is not the stillness of a mind that is disciplined, held, controlled, but the stillness which comes when, through the understanding of relationship, the mind has ceased to be a center of self-interest. Such a mind is capable of following that which is beyond the measure of the mind.

Jiddu Krishnamurti - Religion as organized belief and dogma is not religion at all

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The Post from Hi was inspiring, more buddhist. There is something greater than knowledge and that is IMAGINATION
see willy wonkers chocalate factory movie. It doesnt pay to be greedy capitalistic, but the opposite extreme is dictating commonism, and socialism is an aspect of it, that works here with our present govenment that helps the poor by stealing from the rich he he ha ha. Someone told me, most likely my capitalistic yet ex masonary father that if the govenment here didnt help its people they would get off their ass and work shit jobs or beg on the street for food. My father never quit his job rose to leadership position hungury for money but provided well for his family, but doesnt like to leave anything to charity, no hand outs not even to me. He started to help me when I was out of mormonism, tho he said had he been relegious he thought mormonism was a perfect Nazi/capitilistic system that works but it totally deceptive not free to think for oneself.

Anyway for jackmormon, your right I did take my smoke and if necesary meds also, that calmed my anger once again. I always rose while secretly having my legal drugs, tho I dont like illegal drugs, but the times I was the most crazy and kicked out of the church was when my filthy rags of mormon word of wisdom rightousness got the better of me and triggered major depression. Of course to much of the drugs and meds will also trigger it. have to keep the balance what works for mental and physical health mate.

But glad your finding some peace with yourself jackmormon.
But would you not rather have plual wives jackmormon, as the name stands for itself. It takes care of cheating and prostitution and if you lucky as Joe smith you might even get one under age when the law didnt forbid it until now. So because its illegal, doesnt mean it is still not the way of
the mormon god, legalistic but of course we rationalize that this god is crazy as bat shit and buddhism seems more logical
and moral....

If this is the only life then, I have nothing against jack mormonism if the woman went along with it, but as far as the next life, only the elite are worthy of it and the bible says the elite is principality of dark powers shinning false light and is wrong...

But if we cant do anything much to contribute in society we should not at least harm anyone. I am comming to terms with just that much for concious sake and trying to move on from
retaliation against mormon leader swines. But looney Larry is a loose aussie canon, outlaw. But this reading does justice and I appeciate your search makes sense mate..

good luck.
larry..