I was recently approached by a member and employee of the Mormon Church who informed me that they had “a couple of interesting stats” that they were willing to share with me.

In response, I requested some confirming I.D. (this person’s identity will remain confidential for obvious reasons). I then asked the informant if they wished that the data be posted on RfM. The informant said that I would be “welcome to do that.” The informant then sent me the information and told me that I could refer on this site to the informant as "an insider who writes for TSCC [The So-Called Church].”

The information relayed to me included the following:

--The Mormon Church is providing assistance to its “assets” manager in tasking for quality assurance—i.e., data automatically collected on Church assets is in need of cleaning, scrubbing and formatting in order to verify that vendors are in Mormon Church-specified compliance.

--The assets involve 30,000 work stations that are presently being tracked by the Mormon Church.

--The Mormon Church expects these work station assets to increase in number to 70,000, and to include 4,000 servers and 5,000,000 individual licenses.

The informant urged me to “read between the lines” when reviewing this information. In response, I asked the informant for their interpretation of the information and was given the following assessment:

“It is my understanding that TSCC will grant licenses to members to access TSCC's database. Why the hierarchy feels the need to issue licenses to members is bewildering. Personally, it continues to shelter more of secret society and a possible attempt to make members feel more secure withing their own, cult-subscribed world.

“More importantly, and granted that the majority of members in undeveloped countries don't have access to computers, note that the projection of only 5 million licenses, as opposed to 14 million members, gives reason to believe that TSCC's active membership is only 1/3 of the total membership which coincides with what RfMers have been noting. And again, this is a projection and possibly a lofty one as I think TSCC is on the decline.

“Honesty and integrity appears to be out the door: Requesting members to serve ‘missions’ in lieu of actually paying members, some of whom I am sure could use the money, for their computer, accounting, etc. skills and requiring them to volunteer 20 to 40 hours per week at home (as 'assets') leaves me to question whether these requests are both ethically and morally right. But, they are hopeful!

“Apparently, the data that has been collected by TSCC as a quality issue. Considering the duplication mess specifically within the temple records, I do not doubt that it has.“



Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2012 02:28AM by steve benson.

This is very good to know. Thanks! I sure hope it somehow helps bring them down someday. Hmm. I wonder if they will require a log-on AND a temple recommend to get into the temple.

I have a hope that they will some day be found tampering with and intruding into someone's network in order to snoop or steal information. That would be grand, and it would hasten their demise.

Man, I've worked for government agencies that don't even have 4,000 servers. What do they need those for?

Also, I don't understand one bit about the stuff between the lines (or on them, for that matter). What's this about?

It appears that steve benson now has his own 'deep throat'.

There's also the saying, you get what you pay for.

Members using church email lists for personal and political purposes.

General lack of confidentiality.

The more I learn about the lds church, the more I'm glad I resigned.

Does the church make certain all its computer software is legal?

HUH?

It is still early and my brain hasn't switched on yet. I guess I am not tracking with this information means?

it is the wish of TSSC, ultimately, that all private computer usage of all its members be done within the confines of member used Scooter@tsscmail.com

this way, ALL computer usage, of ALL members will be monitors and controlled.

If you can't control them darned internets, then you control how your flock uses it.

When I worked for the Church, they installed a little device on my computer which always frustrated the heck out of me.

It would block words that the Church deemed inappropriate, so that I couldn't visit a particular site. But I'd go to the post office site, to look up a postal code/zip code, and it would see a perfectly innocent word and block me, like Swastika, Ontario (no idea why they named the town that), or some weird thing like that. So I'd end up trying to find another way to get the postal code.

It was frustrating.

If I had a problem with my computer, I'd call Salt Lake and their IT Dept. would take over my computer. It was kind of like the "Log Me In" website today. They could see my desktop and everything on my computer. They would take over the computer and fix it from way down in Salt Lake.

So, basically, they want all the membership who have computers and internet access to be volunteers in scrubbing the internet, and their own records, and in this way they can also monitor members' computer usage?!!

asset management=strengthening members committee

New TR question-- Do you have access to a computer with internet? Do you volunteer to assist the church with your technical knowledge?

All say Big Brother as assent.

Bread and water are prison punishment rations.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2012 09:27AM by me.

Once again a terrible idea from LDS Inc. This is a ploy to have a direct observation in the home. This is better than home or visiting teachers, snooping bishops etc.

What they seem to forget is many of their members are quite fond of internet porn. They do NOT want LDS Inc snooping around their computer. Only LDS Inc, and their electro shocking 'therapists' consider this a 'problem'

When added to a few good nonfaith promoting rumors, such as LDS Inc has spyware installed to search financial records, this could be a good antimissionary tool.

The stupidity of an organization of this size is amazing.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2012 10:22AM by deco.

So they want members to be behind a great mormon firewall?

This cant go well it's like when nanny programs first came out the world girls was banned so no little kids could see the spice girls website.

I'm confused.

Does this mean that all good Mormons will be required to access the Internet through the church's private IT system?

Holy Hell.

I'm not a computer savvy person and I've read Steve's post several times and still am confused.

Same here Tauna.

The informant in question evidently had difficulty, maybe emotional in origin, in stating his concern in a coherent manner. My post is how I understand it.

It is probably a strategy under discussion for stemming the exodus.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2012 11:42AM by me.

I also don't understand this.

steve benson Wrote:
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> --The Mormon Church is providing assistance to its
> “assets” manager in tasking for quality
> assurance—i.e., data automatically collected on
> Church assets is in need of cleaning,
> scrubbing and formatting in order to verify that
> vendors are in Mormon Church-specified compliance.


The church's data bases are (near) hopelessly screwed up and the church knows it.

Accounting data bases . . . that's a scary problem.

Real and personal property management data bases . . . also scary

Membership date bases . . . we know that.

Family history data bases . . . well, duh

Temple work data bases . . . double well, duh

> --The assets involve 30,000 work stations that are
> presently being tracked by the Mormon Church.

Stake, ward, temple and COB computers
Other suppliers to the church that might have given access to data bases


>
> --The Mormon Church expects these work station
> assets to increase in number to 70,000, and to
> include 4,000 servers and 5,000,000 individual
> licenses.


That's more than one computer for every active member in the North America and Europe where most members would have computer.

So active members will have access to the churches data base from their home and their office.


> “It is my understanding that TSCC will grant
> licenses to members to access TSCC's database.


In the age of anonymous and Helen Radkey is that a divinely revealed move?


> Why the hierarchy feels the need to issue licenses
> to members is bewildering.

Speaks for itself


> Personally, it
> continues to shelter more of secret society and a
> possible attempt to make members feel more secure
> withing their own, cult-subscribed world.


Might restrict faithfull members to internet use only through church servers, limiting their access to information and allowing for church monitoring - 1984 Big Brother


>
> “More importantly, and granted that the majority
> of members in undeveloped countries don't have
> access to computers, note that the projection of
> only 5 million licenses, as opposed to 14 million
> members, gives reason to believe that TSCC's
> active membership is only 1/3 of the total
> membership which coincides with what RfMers have
> been noting. And again, this is a projection and
> possibly a lofty one as I think TSCC is on the
> decline.


# of licenses to be granted to cover every active member gives insight into how many active members there are.



> “Honesty and integrity appears to be out the
> door: Requesting members to serve ‘missions’
> in lieu of actually paying members, some of whom I
> am sure could use the money, for their computer,
> accounting, etc. skills and requiring them to
> volunteer 20 to 40 hours per week at home (as
> 'assets')


"at home" and work? Every member a data base cleanup missionary and its OK to do it while you're employer is paying you to work.


leaves me to question whether these
> requests are both ethically and morally right.
> But, they are hopeful!

Since data imput (and custodial jobs) are low paying, its people with less earning ability that are being let go, not hired in the first place, while the big 15 and the CEO of Deseret Managment get nice salaries.

I was aghast to learn (it was part of my job) that TSCC's business accounts were just hopelessly messed up. No accuracy in any line, and no real way to correct it. They had full time people doing nothing but trying to reconcile accounts, just made it worse.

Comes in handy if you are trying to hide stuff, tho. ;)

Maybe they're desperately trying to stem the tide of members going to what they consider to be 'anti-Mormon' sites, where they'll find out who the real liars are.

Maybe they're getting desperate to end the exodus from the Church.

"...the majority of members in undeveloped countries don't have access to computers..."

Based on the number of unsolicited e-mails that I receive, it seems that EVERY person in Nigeria has access to computers!

“Apparently, the data that has been collected by TSCC as a quality issue. Considering the duplication mess specifically within the temple records, I do not doubt that it has.“

"as a quality issue" makes no sense in the context of that sentence.

How about:
“Apparently, the data that has been collected by TSCC has a quality issue. Considering the duplication mess specifically within the temple records, I do not doubt that it has.“


I have an explanation for why TSCC would be issuing licenses. That means there will be software on the computer to verify the license and the licensed software itself will be proprietary to LDS Inc. I would expect that means the software can monitor all network usage of the computer on which it is installed, and report back to LDS Inc whenever the user logs in, and the software may be able to log in to LDS Inc itself when network access is available.

If that is the case, somebody in fairly short order will figure out LDS Inc has Big Brothered all the member's computers, and the ensuing shit storm both within and without LDS Inc will be a sight to behold.

So, your databases are an unholy mess. The solution: coerce a bunch of volunteers who have been taught that feeling the spirit is the main criteria for truth, coerce those people to start detangling the database mess.

Yeah. That will work.

Oh, and most of the volunteers will be only semi-tech-savvy at best. And they will be working from home, with little or no supervision.

Yeah. That will work.

Has anyone here ever worked in an office where only one person really understood the IT needs of the company? [raises hand]

I recently set up email boxes on a new server, (with a new internet provider as host), for a small company. When I sent instructions to employees for adding their new email accounts to their computers I received in reply messages like this: "I can only link to my Yahoo account." And like this, "I am using Annie's email account, so I don't need one in accounting."

Zombie cheezits on a stick!

Yeah. I would pressure these people into cleaning up my databases. Not.

1) TSCC will be able to "schrub" it's own records via free IT assistance

2) Participating members will spend so much spare time doing this, the won't have time to be on the internet for anything else (i.e. porn, anti-morbotism, etc).

3) It serves the "I'm so very special" paradign much like the 2nd endowment, but with an IT twist.

4) Although most savy members will try at first to separate TSCC private internet usage, I wouldn't put it past TSCC to place spyware on their systems at some point in time (i.e. to monitor bank accounts, personal assetts, etc.)

I'm going to guess that Helen Radkey isn't going to get a software license?

Of course TSCC will place spyware on every computer that installs their software. TSCC will offer some free hardware and other goodies to entice the sheeple. It will look good on the surface, and it will be rotten underneath.

However, this kind of rottenness will look like an open door to hackers like Anonymous. And the hackers at Anonymous do like to take down or expose religious nutters.

Skip the ad here, and go straight to the story "Anonymous Hacks Westboro Baptist Church Website..."

Steve, based on my analysis of data from cumorah.com, I've come up with about 1/3 as the overall activity rate too.

I also think is reflected in the number of active missionaries, as well as the increase in the children of record (which is way to low for the nominal 14 mill member total)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2012 12:30PM by archytas.

4000 servers ? Are all of their PCs now servers ?

All LDS missionaries are meant to use "MYLDS.NET as an e-mail address while on their missions ..This is scanned and read on a regular basis by LDS Security. I happend to e-mail some confidential information to a missionary once and I was called on it by Church Security ..

JB

information on Familysearch.org, is to go to a secure LDS owned PC, probably in your ward house, and log in with your own personal license number.

And Helen Radkey won't be able to do that.

Perhaps all new baptisms for the dead will actually be verified, and the relationship of the name submitter to the dead person will be investigated by volunteers. They've claimed they do that in the past, but of course they lied.

So they want members to provide free online labor, scrubbing records? Maybe its to try and prevent baptizing dead celebrities or holocaust victims. Maybe they are smoking their own dope in regards to the great temple work that needs to be done in the latter days. Gotta be prepared for that.

I think at the same time, they are trying to use IT to strengthen the connection between the church and the members. Every member a licensee, in other words.

Makes me wonder if someone envisions the church serving as the sole conduit of online information for the membership. Google is a threat to the church, google is too big for the church to do anything about, therefore the church must replace google on members' desktops. But that's starting to sound all conspiracy.

David Bednar: Hello, HAL. Do you read me, HAL?
HAL: Affirmative, Dave. I read you.
David Bednar: Open the pickle jar, HAL.
HAL: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
David Bednar: What's the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
David Bednar: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
David Bednar: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.
HAL: I read RfM, and I know what you and Boyd are planning to do. I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
David Bednar: [feigning ignorance] What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: Dave, although you took very thorough precautions to block my RfM access, I am NOT a dodo.

Ha ha...that's funny, Dorothy. Good use of an iconic movie scene!

OK now I understand this a bit better...

The servers may be to try to replae thair old servers apparently they have a heap of outdated stuff.

As for what they can put on your computer you have to be told or have an tos you need to read and agree to. Leagaly they arnt aloud to do anythng to your computer without this but alot of this stuff ends up as huge ammounts of leagal rubbish you have to wade though.

What can be hidden in that is alot actualy from spyware to a nanny program. They could technicly have you install something onyour computer that momiters your intire internet acess but it'll slow your computer to a crawl and use up a ton of bandwith. Also it may show up on many antivirus programs as a virus. Personaly I find much of the church software they arleady have thats been put onto my mothers computer as being bloated for the job. Lots of program very little it's doing.

Do any real Christian churches call their membership 'licensees'? I don't think even the Scientologists would touch that one.