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Posted by: lostinutah ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 10:24AM

Aren't John Swallow and Mark Shurtleff Mormon boys?

According to the Trib, both were arrested this morning.

Utah sure picks honest upstanding Attorney generals, eh? Wonder what the Morg thinks about this - I hope some of their dealings now come to light.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/15/2014 10:25AM by lostinutah.

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Posted by: scarecrowfromoz ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 10:41AM

Yes, they are both listed as having served missions. So, if convicted, will the Morg excommunicate them, or continue to except tithing from them and their families?

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Posted by: copolt ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 11:12AM

At first I thought this was a joke about 2 gay men and their names were made up for comical effect. How wrong one can be.

A strange coincidence indeed.

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 04:17PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one ;-)

Tom in Paris

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Posted by: deco ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 11:15AM

Bigger than excommunication, a public trial will expose the Mormon way of conducting business.

I think this story might be the most damaging to LDS Inc of the century.

Hopefully we will see the tentacles of LDS Inc pulling the political strings by having their people bribe the highest law enforcement agency in the state.

This story will grow, and should get national attention.

Government systems based on corruption, bribery, nepotism, and insiders needs exposure.

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Posted by: Levi ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 11:29AM

This is pretty serious biz

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Posted by: Quoth the Raven Nevermo ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 11:44AM

My, oh, my, there WERE busy little boys. This looks like prison time, to me.

Let's bet that the other boys in the their playgroup were good little mobots.


Swallow is facing charges including:

- Receiving or soliciting bribe or bribery by public servant
- False or inconsistent material statements
- Evidence tampering
- Misusing public monies


Shurtleff is facing charges including:

- Receiving or soliciting bribe or bribery by public servant
- Receiving bribe or bribery for endorse of person-public servant
- Witness tampering
- Evidence tampering
- Obstruction of justice

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 11:49AM

Again, it's a case of thinking they (as Mormons?) are above the law and can do anything they want. Apparently, it caught up with them. Not unusual, though. I've been watching a show on TV about fraud, etc.

I am presuming the DA has some clear evidence. I wonder if this is about one case, or several.

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Posted by: Levi ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 11:51AM

I'm not this lucky, but what if TSCC is involved in some manner?

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THAT THEY ARE. I AM IN NO WAY ALLEGING THAT TSCC IS INVOLVED IN ANY WAY.

I'm simply suggesting that IF (IF) they are, wouldn't that be just THE greatest thing ever?

But as I said....I'm not that lucky.

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Posted by: lostinutah ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 12:25PM

Of course TSCC was involved, if in no other way than teaching them their morals and ethics and providing a good-old boy system for them to flourish under. Everyone in Utah with a brain knows it's a theocracy. Hopefully that will change.

I'm sure the liars at the head of the Mo theocracy are peeing their pants about now.

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Posted by: White Cliffs ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 03:21PM

I think that people are being hopelessly naïve about this. Those arrests aren't a blow against Mormon power. They are a manifestation of Mormon power. Swallow and Shurtleff were arrested under some random charges because they previously defied Oaks, Eyring, and President Newsroom in subtle, private, but politically important ways.

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Posted by: divorcedacrazymo ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 12:15PM

All thanks to reporting of the SL Trib, which the Morg is seriously trying to snuff out. Subscribe!

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Posted by: Adult of god nli ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 12:47PM

Amen to this! Subscribe!

When I was reading the accounts of the emails a couple of days ago, it was very clear that without the Trib that information would NEVER have seen the light of day. It certainly would not have shown up in the Deseret News.

There's nothing like a good newspaper!

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Posted by: lostinutah ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 12:15PM

Everything points to Jeremy Johnson helping by spilling the beans, and I bet others do, too.

Mormons are a trustworthy lot, eh?

The comments on the Trib are pure gold. One said that he has never done business with a Mormon where he wasn't defrauded.

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Posted by: BeerAtMoessers ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 12:16PM

Swallow was the bishop to some of my close friends. At the time there was some shenanigans going on with some folks in Utah law enforcement that traced all the way back to the AG's office. Corruption galore. My friends were on the short end of the stick and were set up by those corrupt folks, but my friends fought back hard and cleared their name. They were planning on going after the corruption with a law suit.

Bishop Swallow was telling my friends the spirit was prompting him to counsel them to let it go. Even move out of state. It wasn't going to be good for them to remain in Utah. Yes, he was using his position as Bishop to protect his friends and further his political ambitions.

Of course the spirit that was prompting him was coming from his corrupt cronies. Fortunately, my friends haven't let this go and authorities have been speaking with them regarding the matter. More to come about this.

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Posted by: 2+2=4 ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 07:33PM

The investigative report on Swallow also relates that he was a Mormon Bishop. If you go by the numbers on the bottom of each page, it's on 168 and 171. It's part of his excuse for wiping records from his computer:

http://le.utah.gov/investigative/Final_Report_simple.pdf

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Posted by: 2+2=4 ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 07:35PM


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Posted by: sonoma ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 12:44PM

This country will eventually put a stop to anti-democratic, illegal, theocratic rule in Utah.

It is common knowledge in Utah that the cult calls the shots in state and local government.

The Mormon cult has become too casual about their theocracy.

Eventually they will overstep and the rest if the United States will come down hard on the Cult.

Let's hope that the time for their comeuppance is here!

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Posted by: lostinutah ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 12:56PM

I used to kind of resent "outsiders" moving to Moab, even though I'm from Colorado.

But now I wish everyone would infiltrate the entire state and make the Mos the minority. It's slowly happening in Salt Lake City.

There really are some pretty towns in Utah, so come on out!

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Posted by: Luman walters ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 01:07PM

Happy October 288

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Posted by: somnambulist ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 02:05PM

This freekin fantastic news! But know what? it's okay because of all th money they brought to the Morg, so after their prison they will either be made leaders or go on missions or something, maybe even be mission presidents. Win-win.

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Posted by: GNPE1 ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 02:13PM

2014... Just Keeps On Rolling for (AGAINST) the Morg & it's ppl.



'WORST YEAR EVER'!

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Posted by: shakinthedust ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 02:59PM

But did they tithe on their ill gotten gains??

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Posted by: lostinutah ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 03:20PM

You can bet they didn't pay any taxes on them.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 04:00PM

No adultery charged.

No homosexual acts charges.

No sexual indiscretions.

I don't see any reason to try these faithful brethren for their
membership. It's not like they did anything IMMORAL.

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 10:15PM

baura Wrote:
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> No adultery charged.
>
> No homosexual acts charges.
>
> No sexual indiscretions.
>
> I don't see any reason to try these faithful
> brethren for their
> membership. It's not like they did anything
> IMMORAL.


Most important: no challenges to the General Authorities. If you are a male Mormon, that is the only thing that will get you excommunicated.

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Posted by: Eric Charles ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 04:35PM

The LDS church appoints the political positions in this state that effect the TSCC ability to hide its actions. Both of these Mormon Winners were appointed NOT, I repeat NOT elected.

"My brothers and sisters this is the be A.G." "Let us all sustain him."

How many other states A.G.'s pull this kind of stuff. They didn't just take bribes they solicited them. What Shurleff would do is go fishing on a company. Create a problem out of something minor. Then swoop in and offer a "fix" for a price.

Does this go on in non Mo states?

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Posted by: snb ( )
Date: July 15, 2014 07:36PM

This was the best news I heard all day. I am really glad, for all of Utah, that these two didn't get away.

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