We believe in being:
1. Honest, true
- I've never seen such mass lying as when I quit going to church and without even asking me why, everyone started saying it was because someone offended me and I wasn't allowing my kids to go to church. Both of these were absolute lies but Mormons didn't even care enough about keeping this standard to check.

2. Chaste
- Utah has the highest online porn usage in the U.S.

3. Benevolent, virtuous
- City creek mall - busywork v. constructive improvement in the quality of life - BTW, where are all the Mormon soup kitchens and homeless shelters?

4 And in doing good to all men
- So did anyone here feel that a Mormon treated them unfairly simply because your beliefs differ from those of Mormons?

5 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
- Other than the blessing you got before your tonsils came out, when was the last time Mormons spoke in tongues or Monson received a revelation/vision from God?

6. We also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
- Doesn't the Book of Mormon say God is a spirit and polygamy is evil? Why doesn't it mention temple endowments? Where does it talk about tithing or not drinking coffee?

7. We allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
- Mormons may allow it but you know they wouldn't allow it if they could force you to worship they way they commanded. Exhibit #1 - Dead Dunking. They will force their religion on you when you are dead, if not before.

8. And then there are these from the Standards area in the Strength of Youth pamphlet.

http://lds.org/library/display/0,4945,30-1-7-9,00.html

And include things like "do not gossip, be honest and prepare for temple marriage."

While a lot of these standards are good ones, how well do Mormon kids try not to gossip about those kids who don't live up to Mormon standards? How honest are they growing up in a controlling family and/or controlling religion that almost compels them to lie - especially teenage boys? And is preparing for your temple marriage really a standard or a set-up for disappointment. Because a temple marriage doesn't solve the problems created when you don't chose the right person or worse, don't become the right person.

Mormons are so about appearances that they don't seem to realize it's not enough to claim to have certain standards. It's not enough to even LOUDLY claim to have certain standards. That doesn't make you virtuous. It doesn't make you better than other people. You have to actually have those standards as part of your character and if you do, you usually don't care about being better than other people. You care more about loving them and helping them. Because you have character and having character trumps having standards - especially standards you claim but you don't bother to keep.



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Maybe this is a bit political, but I truly see it as a giant disconnect between what Mormons preach and what they practice....

They abhore those who are less well off. They never promote them to positions of leadership. SS lessons have elicited comments about how if you are well off, then it must be that the Lord has blessed you. The big 15 are pretty much all big ex-businessmen. A great many, if not all, of the 70 quorum(s) members.

And the political philosophy held up by most Mormons does not have compassion for those less fortunate. Mormons will give to their church but turn away every worth cause and contribute zero.

It is the gospel of prosperity and not the gospel of the humble fisherman of Galilee.

You hit the nail on the head for me.

I have never met a group of people who lied more readily and without blinking an eye than Mormons. It's like they're programmed to spit out what they think you want to hear and saying what they actually mean is a afterthought.

Who cares what you really want to know? They have answers, and you'd better like them or you're a "hater".

Yup, noticed that too, big time. I believe that was one of the first things that caused me to cast doubts upon the Mormonism. ie, why are they not helping the less well off to succeed and get to where they are in a better situation that they are more well off than what they were?

Such sheer stupidity is pernicious in TSCC.

Even my TBM daughter hates mormons for the most part--

Just be one of the lower classes of mormons for some reason--like being a single, divorcee, inactive parent, nonmember parent and you get a BIG dose of this daily.

While they keep families too busy doing make-work to even talk to each other...

While they exclude family members from marriages...

While they shun family members for their very nature...

And the list goes on. This is the most ANTI-family organization I can imagine. And yet I've had Mormons scold me for not "loving" my family enough to become Mormon. Ha! My family is a close, loving one. We share, we spend time together, we argue, we love each other, we help each other -- I think Mormons are just jealous of our relationship. :)



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"While they shun family members for their very nature . . ."

TBM Step-daughter who's 19 and goes to BYUH will not have anything to do with her Dad or this side of the family soley based on the fact that we are not Mormon (never have been), but Catholic/Lutheran. TBM ex-wife and the TSCC have put plenty of negative thoughts in her head.

I know a few mormons like that.

One woman is constantly lying and manipulating people. Yet she thinks that belonging to the mormon church and living in Utah makes her a step above everyone else.
More like 10 steps above everyone else.

I also know guys who are mean spirited. They make fun of women, gay people, overweight people, you name it.
And yet at the same time think they are so spiritual because they make trips to the temple.

I cannot stand when these people say they have "higher standards" than everyone else when their behavior does not back up that claim.