related? I'm-a-betting that NO African woman was allowed to serve a mission pre-1978 (no PH necessary...)

AS FAR AS THAT GOES... I personally haven't seen any, Ever

Sorry - to clarify, I meant spiritually, from the Mormon point of view. Those of African descent/"coloured" skin could not hold the Priesthood. Could they not enter the Celestial Kingdom then? And could their wives not be called into the Celestial Kingdom then?

How about those who lived before Mormonism existed, or those who still today have never heard of Mormonism and are not baptized at any time? (Since the Church only baptizes by proxy those who it knows of and now usually those who are family.)

The statement was made by a prophet, not sure which.. that a faithful black person could enter the celestial kingdom... but as a servant.

thanks. does anyone have a source for that?

Wasn't that Brigham Young?

They could enter the celestial kingdom. And they could be baptized.

But they would not be able to obtain the highest degree in the celestial kingdom because they couldnt go to the temple, be sealed, or anything else.

Therefore they would be lesser than the white and delightsome. But God still has such great "mercy" on them by letting them go that far.



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thanks is that true for nevermos too?

Thanks. And how about non-Mormons before Mormonism or those who never get to hear about Mormonism?

That just seems very wrong - to say that ANYONE is denied any level of spiritual existence just because of one's race.

God is for everyone not just for a few.

But the Old Testament God was just a God of the Jews, And Christ's ministry was a ministry to the Jews, right?

Looks like Greeks, Romans, Arabs and Gentiles were just SOL...

From "On This Day in Mormon History:"

May 18, 1894 - In Salt Lake Temple, "Jane Elizabeth Manning (a
Negro woman) is sealed as a servitor for eternity to the Prophet
Joseph Smith." Joseph F. Smith acts as proxy.

Aug 22, 1895 - First Presidency and apostles decide to deny
temple endowments to "Black Jane" Manning (James) because of her
"negro blood." Black women are banned from temple, as are black
men until 1978.

August 27, 1954 - Apostle Mark E. Petersen gives a talk "Race
Problems as they affect the Church" to teachers of religion at
the post secondary level. Among other things he states, "Think
of the Negro, cursed as to the Priesthood. Are we prejudiced
against him? Unjustly, sometimes we are accused of having such
a prejudice. But what does the mercy of God have for him? This
negro, who, in the pre-existence lived the type of life which
justified the Lord in sending him to the earth in the lineage
of Cain with a black skin, and possibly being born in darkest
Africa—if that negro is willing when he hears the gospel to
accept it, HE MAY HAVE MANY BLESSINGS OF THE GOSPEL. In spite
of all he did in the pre-existent life, the Lord is willing, if
the Negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is
really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the
gift of the Holy Ghost. If that Negro is faithful all his days,
he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. HE WILL GO THERE
AS A SERVANT, but he will get a celestial resurrection." (emphasis added)

Read "Way to Perfection" by Joseph Fielding Smith chapter called **The Saddest Story ever Told** Pages 91 -112 .. Every reference you could wish for (or not wish for )

JB