Just when things were getting cozy between the only true church and monolithic institutions, comes a fellow spouting ancient beliefs about freedom.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Cliven+Bundy

Will the church haul this hardened cowboy into a Court of Love and teach him to honor, obey and sustain the law of the land?

This man thinks he's living in 1880 America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWljeiAhYI

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This guy has annoyed me since the story first broke. Can't say I was too shocked to find out he's Mormon. Any idea what his calling is/was? Seems to me, he has the right temperament for a stake president.

the States should own their own land and the States should provide most government services. Not the Federal Government.

federalism Wrote:
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> the States should own their own land and the
> States should provide most government services.
> Not the Federal Government.


While I see your point, many natural wonders would cease to exist for any of us if the states had the right to do whatever they pleased with every resource landing within their borders.

Good point. This is why there should be no private property. All should be controlled by the feds, so nobody does something with their land that would prevent others from enjoying it. And I suppose if a whole state is too stupid to protect their land, a whole country could be also. Maybe property should be controlled by a world government.

I just cut down some big old pine trees. I expect I should have left them for others to enjoy.

> I just cut down some big old pine trees. I
> expect I should have left them for others to
> enjoy.


No, unless you want to leave them up for others to enjoy, you should cut them down. If, however, all pine tress were cut down, that would be a problem.

I personally think some states probably are too stupid to manage things for themselves. The feds may not be a whole lot better, but we need to have at least some protected land.



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We tried the super weak federal government experiment very early in our history and it was a disaster.

Exactly. It took the Federal Government to end slavery, pass civil rights legislation, allow women the right to vote, protect our water and food supply, etc... In many ways local government is less effective and more corrupt. Good riddance to Federalism.

I'm sure There is a certain senate majority leader who would love to preside at his court of love and execution for fucking up A china solar farm deal.



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Hairy Reed. That snivelling, effeminate sack of dog vomit. Ya, I heard about his power/land deal with China. Leave Bundy alone and go after THIS cocksucking bastard.

..."Brother Reid, the High Council has determined"..............



http://www.reviewjournal.com/steve-sebelius/costs-conflicts-arise-reid-push-green-power

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2012/aug/6/harry-reid-must-come-clean-if-s-possible/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831

Harry reid should be the one getting ex'd. He is a top notch piece of crap only a mormon when he's up for re-election. Bundy was in the right. That was their land before BLM even was BLM. I am glad BLM backed down.

the endangered species act and corrupt senators to take land from one and give to another usually lining the pockets of their friends, and contributors along the way.

Almost all land west of Colorado is under Federal control.

So if they're taking it and giving it to their friends, why is it government land?

Yeah, when the tortises are fine and have lived with the other animals forever. The cows were doing nothing. This is all about reid and his agenda and the feds trying to flex their muscles. :). It's so dumb. I agree.

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do you have any idea how rediculous that sounds?? I think that you still have some gullibility you need to overcome. why the hell would one euthanize a thousand endangered tortoises instead of just letting them go. This sounds like something off of Alex Jones.

When I was kid we called it public land. Now they call it BLM land like the BLM owns it.

It boils down that the banks (the ones the taxpayer bailed out) have bought enough politicians they captured the government. It's why supreme court judges and politicians have the "corporations are people" attitude.

Anything public the corporations now think they own and they can do whatever they want.

no way. Bundy belongs to the unofficial political party if the mafia-cult. His actions could lead to full scale civil war, and they would honor him for it. The cult will nit admit it, but they are a political puppet.

Well, since we're going way off relevant topic -
Why didn't the bum pay the grazing fees for 20 yrs? Or put up a fence? This guy is not a hero or a victim. He's a freeloader.

He sounds like a freeloader to me.

He's redefining what a Welfare queen looks like. :)

This is what a Welfare Queen looks like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

Absolutely right. If others pay, then he needs to pay.

That's the Mormon entitlement.

The government shouldn't be taking or harassing his cattle.

We need to get what red meat we eat from our own ranchers and not importing it from South America.

The man needs to be arrested and imprisoned until trial. His cattle should be rounded up and sold to reimburse the government, an easement put on his property until all is settled. I was really disappointed that the feds backed off.

The church needs to excommunicate him.

His land? His family's land? It belongs to native Americans.

Last night DW was carrying on about him and his evilness. I said, "He's LDS, you know. You should ask yourself if this is appropriate behavior for an LDS guy." Her mouth just sort of hung open.

The fight is between rights of Americans vs the police state, NOT his religion. What the fuck's his religion got to do with it? This was just a 'poke' from the government thugs to see how much we will take. If he'd have lost, we'd eventually lose ours.

a fight about the police state? I really think that's going too far. info wars fan much?

Damn right! LONG LIVE ALEX JONES! Thank god for people who take a stand.

I have a little respect for him. But 90% of the stuff he scare mongers people about never actually happens. I bet his bank account is quite fat though! Marshall law was supposed to already have happened. A couple of years ago actually. I would hate to live that way...always skerred, always "planning"

Too far?

Yeah, I'm sure it's just our imagination that police officers look like Swat teams, small towns have armored vehicles built for war zones, and the NSA is nothing but an internet quality control agency.

he should have paid his bill!

I could easily buy into your paranoia except for the fact that this is only one incident. If I fell into the trap of fear mongering, this would be happening on every block. Alex has been ranting and raving for years that "this" is what would happen. I'm still walking around free. No one has taken my house. I don't need a gun. Someone didn't pay his bills and now he's surprised and crying uncle. It's okay to be prepared in case something like that DOES happen, but worrying about it and spreading fear mongering doesn't really accomplish much. I hope you have paid your bill on Godlikeproductions this month. :)

Bundy is merely another mormon attention whore who thinks the world revolves around him.

Could this whole deal be because the fed government would expect to actually get paid by a solar farm rather than this freeloader?

This guy would have a much stronger case if he paid his bills.

I think he belongs in jail for theft. This is not a state right vs federal right thing. This is a simple crime. Bundys cattle ate the US governments grass and he has sold them and profited from it without paying his bills. He belongs in jail.

The solar power thing is meant to confuse this issue. I have no problem with it, and think we should exploit solar power. If it is owned by the Chinese, at least we know that we will be paid, unlike with Bundy.

I agree. He's playing the persecution card just like any other Mormon does. He knew the rules but figured he was above them and is now facing the consequences. I don't like that they killed his cattle though. That seemed unnecessary. But so does all of this hype over him. Drudge seems to be jacking off to it as well as Alex Jones.

If there is any justice in the world the church will KEEP him IN Mormonism and make him a bishop or something.