...Prick!

http://community.babycenter.com/post/a47919442/bednar_article_in_the_march_2014_ensign?cpg=1


Pg. 30:

http://media.ldscdn.org/pdf/magazines/ensign-march-2014/2014-03-00-ensign-eng.pdf



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Bednar/Packer for President!

on the Kolob Party ticket!!!!

consider it... Follow-Up to Rmoney's run!

Sheer utter evil!

that I escaped. I feel so sorry for the poor souls who actually BELIEVE such verbal sewage!

Fear tactics, I wonder if he believes people leave the church because they feel secure in their sins because the righteousness of their parents will save them. Can't have those church leaving apostates have any sense of security. They need to fear the righteous anger of Gawd.
I think he is just pissin in the wind and fails to understand peoples reasons for leaving, falling back on the tried and true they only want to sin

I wonder if Bednar has ever lied, and if that was a sin, and if he'll ever have to suffer for that sin.

So what is the point of the sealing then? If all Bednar is saying is that worthy parents are in a better position to influence their children... well I know many children of Bishops, SPs and GAs that are a long, long way from showing even the remotest interest in the church.

Scrolling through the Ensign, I came across an article on Sexual Purity. My question is, do other religions in their official magazines have articles like that?

And the article on good sleep habits (pg 14) the the writer talking about how his/her mother taught him/her good sleeping habits and thus the need for NO addictive substances to keep him/her going through the day. Then WHY do so many mormons drink Mt dew???

It's like they want everyone to stay away from ALL caffeine but only coffee is bad??

WTF

And divorced at 25??? Most NORMAL (nonmo) people are barely getting married at 25, not divorced.


God...what drivel that magazine is..

I'm still confused. At the end he quotes Faust and basically says Faust got it right, but Faust's quote seems to say that wayword children can in fact repent after death, in agreement with the JS quote. Am I missing something?

I also think it's funny that Bednar says the problem was that they didn't have the full context of JS' s quote. You would think the PROPHETS would have known this. So much for divine revelation.

Bu what a relief, this means I won't have to be in the CK with Bednar. An eternity with that guy seems like its own kind of hell.



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You're missing a schism in your mind. Sorry.

the BoM explicitly says that people don't repent (Can't?) after they die, alma 34:34.


Oops!

So how is this going to bring families together or make "wayward kids" return to the fat fold?

While I was a TBM parent with "wayward" children, I found myself quite depressed over the whole situation. I studied the 138th Section of the D&C and I felt better about it all.

Joseph F. Smith received the 138th Section of the D&C and in it he records his vision of the spirit world and the organization of the Lord's work while Christ was there. Christ thought enough of the dead that He sent His disciples to preach to the spirits who were destroyed at the time of Noah. A big group of baddies that deserved the drowning they got. Now, Christ sends somebody to save them, He has us build temples to redeem them and we are told that by obedience to the ordinances of the temple they will be redeemed. If all they get is salvation and not exaltation, why not just baptize them and not bother with the rest of the ordinances because they are the ordinances of exaltation? Seems like a big waste of resources to me.

I get it that the TBM's that work so hard here in this life only get their penny just like every other schmuck that goes to work in the vineyard (See Matthew 20). It would really piss me off too if I'd put all that work in and now I was just getting that same damn penny that all the slackers got too. I would want exaltation too and something better than a penny?!?!

Furthermore, in Section 132 all the folks that got their second annointing have carte blanche for all kinds of stuff and they still get their exaltation even if they're bad people except for the shedding of innocent blood and blaspheme against the Holy Ghost. Why do they get a free pass? If the Lord is no respector of persons then I'd think there is something wrong with this picture (see v. 26).:

26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of redemption, saith the Lord God.

I am 54 years old and have been a member all of my life, served as a bishop and come from old Mormon families. I never heard of the second annointing until last fall. It makes absolutely no sense to promise exaltation to somebody that is now a mucky muck in the Big Show and not to all the worker bees that do so much for people in their lives and constantly struggle with guilt, worry and stress.

I think Elder Bednar needs to rethink his Ensign article a little. Why would a person who had a greater portion of light (the 2nd Annointing) get a pass for disobedience than a person who never had such light given to them in the first place? That seems to be backward logic to me.



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^^^this!

There are several indicators of the cult-like character of the Mormon church in this article, starting with the premise that parents feel “heartache” when their children “stray from the gospel path”.

In a cult, there is no legitimate reason to choose a different path from the one prescribed by the group’s leaders and doctrine. Despite the Mormon lip service to the idea of agency, or the ability to make one’s own choices in life, choosing something else than Mormonism means “straying”.

Another typical cult characteristic is the tendency for members to feel responsible and even guilty for things the cult perceives as being wrong. The cult mindset precludes the idea that something could be wrong with the group’s teachings or practices, so when someone leaves the group, they are wrong and the remaining members are responsible.

It might be pointed out that this article doesn’t say that parents SHOULD feel guilty but the article does confirm that Mormon parents DO and that’s the cult characteristic being discussed here.

Yet another cult characteristic is that God’s favour is conditional upon obedience to the group’s rules. By extension, the group members’ favour, and even parental love, are conditional upon obedience as well. Although this is not specifically addressed in Bednar’s article, there are instances where church leaders like Dallin Oaks have preached this.

Fear is another tool for psychological manipulation often found in cults. There are plenty of references to divine judgement, suffering and punishment as a result of disobedience to the church’s rules in this article. While the “wayward children” are the subjects of this divine vengeance, it instills the very heartache and desparation into their parents that this article seeks to address - but dismally fails at.

What easier way to take away that heartache than to encourage parents to respect their children’s right to choose their own paths and to love them unconditionally? Unfortunately, that is not the way cults operate.

Instead, cults try to keep their members in a naive, infantile state so they can be controlled and manipulated more easily. This entire article is framed in such a way as to position those who leave the church as “wayward children” rather than as responsible adults who make the perfectly legitimate choice to live their lives according to the dictates of their own conscience.

Isn’t that one of the articles of the Mormon faith?

Mormons will be expected to accept Bednar's words. That is, until the church decides that he was only speaking as a man, at which point they will be expected to reject them.

Thank you Bednar for making my 85 year old mother cry once again for her "wayward" children.....you really are a pathetic nobody in the real world.

It is interesting how he makes a point to look at the source documents to condemn wayward children, yet the church always ignores the source documents that prove Joe Smith was a complete liar.

too bad they don't-can't-won't listen;

the missing feedback loop is a Major detriment to progress for LDS, Inc.

Bednar is just like Boyd - he's a miserable nobody when he travels 10 miles outside Utah/Idaho, so he has to exert as much power and control as he possibly can over his little club house.

In my opinion, inactivity/resignation rates of BIC members must be reeeeeeaaaaaallllly making them sweat. They know that getting an inactive convert back is hit or miss depending on how deep they were in...but people who were born in the church and still have active family members in the church are their best hope. How many people here have elderly parents, or faithful siblings, who spend time genuinely worried about the eternal consequences of your separation from the church? This article is more or less telling them: "it's all on you now. You want to have your family together in eternity? Prove it and work hard to get them back, or it's not happening." It's a total pin-prick move, and it does nothing but play to the fears and insecurities of family members.

Honestly, what other reason would there be for writing this article? If they aren't worried about their bank account, just write another article about the dangers of porn/"choking the bishop" and let people take comfort in the original teaching. After all, Mormons are really big in saying that no one will ever be punished for following an incorrect/misunderstood doctrine. Jesus must need a new food court.

I also thought that was the motive. Try to get people to lean on kids who have left or are experiencing heavy doubts as a result of the new information from the essays and other sources. Pressure them to stay and pay for as long as you live. Bednar tries to guilt parents into trying to guilt their kids into staying LDS.

Just makes me want to reveal exactly how much church doctrine I know about...

Hmm, well done Bednar. You just tore away the hope of countless many faithful Mormon parents. For no reason. Way to go. Buy stock in anti depressant manufacturers quickly.

There was a method to his madness. Hastening the Work hasn't gotten people energized about missionary work/re-activation attempts, so they brought out the A-Bomb.

Others seem to think this too, can they truly be that naive that they think getting parents to engage with apostate children on the church will end well? Yeah, actually, I just realized, they really can be that naive. The mo church was never known for their brilliance...

My TBM father used to make point of telling other TBM's that he had 6 kids.....but 3 are "wayward" when asked by other TBM's.

I never liked that.

What is craziest is that Section 132 of the D&C is where the whole idea of eternal families comes from and most TBM's don't read it, understand it or realize that it's all tied to polygamy, destruction of uncooperative wives and is just a mess. Ask them where they get the idea that your family can only be eternal based upon this?

It is then all taken from uncannonized teachings that can be added or deleted based upon the needs of the day. If you go back and look at the JOD and all that was said about that section and try and make it apply to today and it does not work and there is NO revelation that corrects any of it. Some GA can say whatever the hell he wants and hurt people as needed.

So true! I just REALLY read sec 132 and it comes across as completely crazy. Way too much "Emma, let Joe do what he wants," to be God introducing a powerful and important doctrine. If it hadn't been repackaged and sold to members for years they would all see it for what it is.

But then, according to the FAQ about Mormonism on the church website, the LDS church doesn't teach that the worthy will become gods anymore, just "like god." So maybe they know how stupid it sounds and are getting ready to ditch that section anyway.

This is the source of "eternal families". This is what is the lever that all TBM's worry the most about, the loss of their eternal family. Sealings were first made within the context of plural marriage and NOT before.

The same section (132) is the scriptural source of the second annointing. Joseph used this as a sort of elite group that would meet, have dinners, prayer circles and so forth in the new Nauvoo Temple. He was also running for president of the US and had just had himself annointed King of the Earth and established the Council of Fifty. He was going to take it up a notch and his underlying pattern was the framework of Freemasonry. I don't have the source at my fingertips, but Joseph was planning to make Hyrum the prophet and he was going to move up to "king" found it...

https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/pdf/141-32-41.pdf

Emma was quite unhappy with him and he also used "eternal family" to try and get her to be accepting of plural marriage.

Two days after May 26, another ceremony was introduced to the Anointed Quorum: marriage sealings for eternity. On May 28, Joseph Smith and James Adams were sealed to their spouses, Emma Hale Smith and Harriet Denton Adams. This was an important moment, as Emma Smith, much like Hyrum, had opposed her husband’s teachings on plural marriage; yet prior to her sealing, she would have had to reconcile herself to the doctrine, a requirement for all hoping to receive the ordinance.Unlike Hyrum’s change of heart, Emma’s was temporary. The next day, Hyrum, Brigham Young, and Willard Richards were sealed to their spouses

http://signaturebooks.com/2010/11/excerpts-joseph-smiths-quorum-of-the-anointed/



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