I'd like to move back to Provo for the summer. Yes, crazy. The rent is incredibly cheap and I have several friends living there. My only concern (aside from the turbulence of re-entry into the Bubble) is figuring out how to work with BYU Approved Housing.

- I'm a student but not at BYU/UVU.
- My friends all know of my disaffection and inactivity.
- I'm willing to attend church OR institute if necessary and my work allows.
- I'm willing to live the Honor Code as enforced...

Should this be a problem? Anybody have experience with dealing with Provo/BYU rentals while openly disaffected? Is it best to not bring it up at all? Are they just happy to take my money?

When Curtis Penfold was evicted from BYU Housing for becoming an open atheist, I remember reading online about a legal "protest" or equal housing protection that could potentially be brought up. If anybody remembers reading that, I'd love to look into it just in case.

I just get a cut each month. It's a cozy little brick home for women, at 733 N. 400 E. It'surrounded by apartments, as we wouldn't sell out forty years ago. The summer rent is reasonable. It has a main floor and a basement living area.

It shouldn't be a problem. As a former BYU landlord, I am quite sure that they just want the rent on time and for you to take care of the place. Don't commit any serious honor code violations or live with snitches. Byu landlords lose a lot of money when they evict someone, and won't do so for honor code violation s unless the housing office forces it.

BYU housing and BYU-approved housing are two separate animals.

BYU-approved doesn't care about your beliefs, you just have to adhere to their rules. Namely, no opposite sex in your bedroom, no drinking, etc.

Most landlords in BYU-approved housing are absentee and won't really care as long as you pay your rent on time and don't give them headaches.

Sometimes cheap rent is not worth it. If you have to attend church, in order to get a break on housing, is that really such a great deal?

I've done it briefly, before the ward got wind of me I left anyway. I just made sure it was known that I wasn't mo, nobody really asked questions. The office asked me to go to institute (church wasn't required), but nobody ever checks for institute attendance. Be a good tenant and most landlords won't bat an eye. Just don't go advertising your postmo status, or getting caught doing anything too crazy.



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If your not a student at BYU, you can probably do whatever you want within reason, I doubt most people will care, I did have a couple of wanker snitch roomates, but they are not the norm. Why bother going to church or institute? Go for a bike ride or a ski day, much better for your health.

If they were wanking, why didn't you retaliate by reporting them for it? ;)

I attended one semester at BYU-IDAHO after which I quit going and started working. Less than 1 year latter I was looking for cheap rent and bought a contract from a student to live in a BYU-I approved apartment with some students. I told the landlord about the situation and they thought it was okay because I was recently a student. After living there a little while I was kicked out by the school. I was a believer at the time it was only because I wasn't a student.
Maybe you will have better luck. But there is a possibility they will find out and not allow you to live there.

Rules are here:
http://och.byu.edu/PDF/Handbook.pdf

You don't have to be a student at BYU to be in on-campus housing. You do, however, have to be a student at a qualified institution (see Section 6). That's a byproduct of federal laws only allowing sex-segregated housing where Title IX allows.

LDS institute qualifies somehow. It is very loosely enforced in Provo. I know of at least 30 people right now who would be on the street in one complex alone if they actively enforced this.

And I just realized, I confused myself.

Replace "on-campus housing" with approved housing in my original comment. You *do* have to be a BYU student to live in BYU on-campus housing; you simply have to be a student somewhere to live in BYU-approved housing.

And yeah, it's pretty loosely enforced. Most landlords (I am one, albeit not for BYU-approved housing) don't care all that much as long as you meet the following two requirements:
-- Pay your rent on time; and
-- Don't be a cause of complaints.

No pinups, no beer fridge in your room, no opposite gender in your room, opposite gender curfews, and terrible roommates.

If you can handle it than have fun.

"You do, however, have to be a student at a qualified institution (see Section 6). That's a byproduct of federal laws only allowing sex-segregated housing where Title IX allows."

How do they determine this? Are SLCC or UofU deliberately not included in the federal laws or do they simply list the schools in the Utah county area?

Either way, I've met graduated/professional young students living there, so assuming I pay the bills, lay low, and can handle the culture, I hope I shouldn't have any problems. I guess it may depend on the roommates, landlord and bishop.

Only schools subject to Title IX are allowed to, as a condition of enrollment, require students to live in gender/sex-segregated housing or allow landlords to offer gender-segregated housing.

I can't explain it particularly well, so here's what the handbook says:

--- start quote ---
BYU has long regulated the residential housing environment of its single students by requiring single
students to live in university-contracted housing. Title IX of the Education Amendments Act of 1972
permits educational institutions to segregate its students on the basis of gender in its contracted housing
but may not include non-students in gender separated housing. Owners must separate students in
university contracted housing from non-students as follows:

1. A university contracted owner must rent exclusively to qualified students. (Qualified students are those
whose institutions provide sex segregated housing as listed on the current BYU Student-Landlord
Agreement.)

2. Students and non-students may reside in the same university contracted off campus housing complex but
must be in separate buildings or wings of buildings. The university reserves the exclusive right to
determine how this policy of separating students and non-students should be implemented in any
particular apartment complex that seeks a contract. In seeking a university contract, the owner should
submit an appropriate plan of separation to the Off Campus Housing Office. In reaching a decision
concerning an appropriate separation plan, the Off Campus Housing Office will consider all factors,
including the location of the building or buildings, and the likelihood that a particular decision will
enhance the objectives of the University Off Campus Housing Policy. Once a plan for separating students
and non-students has been approved by the Off Campus Housing Office, any change to the plan shall
require the prior written approval of the Off Campus Housing Office.

3. Non-students housed in university contracted housing under an accepted separation plan are not subject
to Title IX permitting gender-segregated housing; thus, in dealing with non-students in contracted
housing, owners must comply with all local, state, and federal statutes governing fair housing. In
addition, non-student tenants are not required to maintain BYU Residential Living Standards as set forth in
this handbook. However, because most housing areas are an integrated whole, BYU requires that owners
establish and enforce general conduct-based regulations sufficient to preserve an environment which
enhances moral and spiritual growth and academic performance of student tenants. Consistent with
applicable state and federal laws, owners shall establish regulations that ensure basic principles of
modesty, decency, and privacy in keeping with accepted community morals. Failure of an owner to so
regulate the conduct of all tenants may result in the university withdrawing the contract of the student
housing.

--- end quote ---

The list of institutions is available on the document here:
http://och.byu.edu/PDF/2013-2014Student-LandlordRentalAgreement3.pdf

Namely, Utah Valley University, Stevens Henager College, Provo College, Paul Mitchell The School, Marinello Schools of Beauty, Acaydia School of Aesthetics, Nomen-Global Language Centers, American Institute of Medical and Dental Technology, Renaissance Academe De Hair Design, Selnate International School

Students self-certify; most landlords won't ask unless they're getting their chops busted by (typically) BYU.

If you're not a BYU student, you don't have to follow all of the honor code. For example, you don't have to go to church to live in BYU approved housing. You would just have to follow the "Residential Living Standards." Basically, don't put up porn on your bedroom wall, don't get caught with a girl in your bedroom, and don't get caught breaking the word of wisdom in the apartment.



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