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Posted by: gentleben ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 01:19PM

Looks like another therapist is about to join the ex mo ranks. Either through resignation, or excommunication...

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Posted by: jiminycricket ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 04:14PM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/16/2014 04:17PM by jiminycricket.

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Posted by: Angry TBM ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 01:26PM

How dare a WOMAN speak against a priesthood leader of the church!

She must be addicted to pornography and trying to justify her sins.

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Posted by: Stray Mutt ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 01:30PM

<<I do not take the critique of a standing General Authority’s position lightly...>> But the critique of FORMER GAs? Hey, that's the church's approved way of dealing with the crackpot things former leaders said were gospel.

<<...relationship with self that needs to be developed in a shame-free environment...>> The church doesn't want a shame-free environment. Shame is the church's fuel. No shame, no need for an institution to tell you how to live (which produces more shame. of course).

But I was very interested to see scab picking on a list of depression-linked behaviors. I was a horrible scab picker when I was young. Looking back, I see that I was probably also depressed. And I was a good Mormon boy. Oh, I forgot, living The Gospel® makes you Truly Happy®, not depressed.

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Posted by: Pyewacket ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 02:39PM

I couldn't even get through this article without the beginnings of a panic attack. Rape culture indeed.

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Posted by: baneberry ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 02:48PM

Natasha Parker Heflin is on Mormon Stories Podcast. I felt like she did a good job there. I cannot agree with her more.

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Posted by: presleynfactsrock ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 02:49PM

Bravo to Natasha Helfer Parker for this straight-forward response to Tad R. Callister's lecture on morality given to Mormoney church members. And thanks for sharing the article on this thread.

I found her response well-written, easy to follow, and full of facts as to why she found much of Callister's admonitions to be contrary to what she has learned both from being being trained in her field and from working in this area.

Stands out as yet another vivid example of a GA putting his foot in his mouth by not doing homework in the area he is attempting to be an expert on. What a joke.

I sincerely thank Natasha Helfer for her courage in taking Callister on and thank her for sharing her expertise with us. I wish her happiness and joy and commend her willingness to be a counselor who helps others understand a part of life that is often not talked about.

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Posted by: They don't want me back ( )
Date: February 19, 2014 10:43AM

are do desperate to make the Church work for them? Why not just quit?

I mean, is't there enough evidence that it's not true

I think attempting to stay in the organization and bring change from the inside is fools errand.

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Posted by: LOLILOL ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 03:06PM

If this were 20 years ago, she would excommunicated within the next 2 weeks.

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Posted by: Garrett Schwanke ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 03:06PM

Good for Natasha--very well done.

The article to which she is responding is thoroughly disingenuous, bigoted, and harmful.

A spectacular contradiction (on SSA/SSM):

"Some would have us believe that the
Church’s stand against same­gender
physical relationships is a temporary
policy and not an eternal doctrine.
Such a belief would be at odds with
the scriptures, with the words of mod­
ern prophets, and with the plan of sal­
vation, all of which teach the necessity
of eternal marriage between a man and
a woman as a condition to exaltation."

Right--because the Church has NEVER retracted scriptural or prophetic statements. Ever. Really.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 03:22PM

Ms. Parker is a LCMFT -- a licensed clinical marriage and family therapist. What this generally means is that she has a Master's degree in marriage and family therapy and a minimum of 2,000 of supervised counseling experience before receiving certification. In other words, she is an educated, experienced, and certified professional counselor.

I love that she is speaking truth to power. It is high time that professional counselors tell the Mormon church that many of its pronouncements and policies are *wrong*.

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 03:38PM

His attitude is like 40 years behind the times, not to mention emotionally damaging. No wonder young people are leaving the Morg in record numbers.

I thought the author's strongest statement was "Although I enjoy the work I do – I do not enjoy the fact that this type of approach coming from this type of authority guarantees that I will have no shortage of business as an LDS sex therapist for many years to come. This article successfully sets us back about 35 years."

Nice to see a Mormon mental health professional state that the preaching of a church leader damages Mormons' lives. Now the question is, will Callister read this article and get a clue?

At least the majority of the comments I read supported the therapist.

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 03:47PM

I cut myself in middle school. There was a girl I liked and I took a knife and cut her initials into my arm. I don't know what she must have thought about it, though we did date later. The cuts were made with a pocket knife and just deep enough to bleed, no deeper. While I was cutting, all the pain in my life was displaced by the pain of my flesh. I could forget about my violent father and his extremist church. If only for a few moments.

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 04:08PM

.....just don't ever, ever masturbate!

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: February 17, 2014 09:33AM

"just don't ever, ever masturbate!"

But if you do, it's probably not the best time to cut yourself...

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Posted by: jiminycricket ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 04:20PM

I agree, Callister's article is harmful.

My take is that he's being very aggressive with the morality issue hoping for a life-long promotion from his current position in the presidency of the 70 to the next available Q12 opening. He will be 70-years old Dec 2015, and is close to being turned out to the emeritus pasture unless perhaps Monson or Packer croak in a timely fashion.

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Posted by: dk ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 06:27PM

Sadly, TSCC can spew this type of crap and claim its usual reason when it doesn't work. It's the person's fault.

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Posted by: sherlock ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 06:47PM

It's talks like Callister's that makes me think I should just go ahead and resign and cut all ties with this organisation. The backward rhetoric that spews from the mouths of non-experts who proclaim to speak for God is just so harmful. I'm glad his incompetent rambling was thoroughly exposed.

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Posted by: Hold Your Tapirs ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 06:57PM

I read the article and the critique. The lengths they go to control the youth, it's ridiculous. They tell them that the Lord condemns perfectly harmless and NORMAL activity.

Excuse my french, but I have to save my kids from this crazy mind fuck of a church.

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Posted by: ftw ( )
Date: February 19, 2014 11:45AM

I know... I wish my DW understood. Some church teachings are so harmful...

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Posted by: Dorothy ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 07:55PM

I hated the part of the article where she states she's just a lowly female and doesn't have the priesthood. Ummm...the truth is the truth, with or without a penis.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 09:05PM

On the one hand they say that "The Lord" put the sex drive in
men so that they would marry (cuz the ONLY reason a guy would
marry is to get laid).

But, they say, it's sin to even THINK about getting laid with
anyone other than your lawful, opposite-sex spouse.

So "The Lord" put this drive in you that you are not supposed to
even think about if you're unmarried.

And he did it to get you horny enough to go to the trouble of
getting married. But, while you're horny you're not supposed to
think about sex or get aroused.

Mormonism is insanity distilled, and concentrated.

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Posted by: baneberry ( )
Date: February 16, 2014 11:12PM

This type of bullsh!t was used on my son as struggled on his mission. He came home totally messed up. I'm still angry about it. We got him a real counselor and things are way better for him.

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Posted by: spanner ( )
Date: February 17, 2014 04:51AM

Bravo Natasha!

Sadly sensible, faithful people like her are few and far between in the church.

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Posted by: sherlock ( )
Date: February 17, 2014 07:03AM

I sent the article to an LDS member who is also a renowned expert in this exact field (PhD in the subject matter, private practise etc) and he completely agreed with it. He has seen firsthand just how damaging the GA/SP/Bishop rhetoric can be and has had to try and provide counselling to members/missionaries who have been seriously messed up by such talks.

GAs really are completely clueless and they tend to ignore the amazing advances in our understanding of neuroscience, in favour of their prideful supposed appeal to PH authority. The sad thing is that most members have been conditioned to readily accept such BS and ignore those who really are experts.... who only speak the 'philosophies of men'.

How many more people need to be unnecessarily psychologically damaged by charlatans? Wolves in sheep's clothing indeed.

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Posted by: ladell ( )
Date: February 17, 2014 08:45AM

Good for her. Suck it Tad.

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Posted by: notnewatthisanymore ( )
Date: February 17, 2014 09:40AM

Well done article. She is too open, thinks too much about things rationally, and actually has healthy attitudes about the primary control topics that prevent her from being a strongly controlled place. What happens when she realizes that everything the brethren have said is fear based, the book of Mormon too. What happens when all of these things getting piled on her shelf get heavier and more disgusting to her.

She won't last long in the cult, she has already started to pull back the curtain and question the man behind it, just waiting for the last piece to click.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 19, 2014 10:52AM

Was this guy Packer's Puppet?

I fing Can't Believe they're still spewing this Crap-ola, if it was food on your shelf, the expiration date would be sometime in the 50's.


Good Lord, they're not only Stupid, but also deaf & dumb (no offense, Please).

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Posted by: Utah County Mom ( )
Date: February 19, 2014 11:24AM

I cannot begin to count how many times a week, I thank the universe that I got my kids out of this horrible religion.

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Posted by: Richard G. Spot ( )
Date: February 19, 2014 01:46PM

I masturbate in honor of this article. Well done.

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