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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:12PM

http://drewmarshall.ca/livestream-html



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Posted by: dodgeawrench ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:15PM

Like! Read your story on the web the other day Steve. Thank you for sharing!

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Posted by: Probitas ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:16PM

They are on now! Tom hailing from Thailand...

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Posted by: thingsithink ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:16PM

Damn,

What an intro by Drew. Ouch.

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Posted by: grubbygert ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:17PM

"secret ordinance"

nice...

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Posted by: grubbygert ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:19PM

"it's not a religion case, it's a fraud case"

way to start things off!

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Posted by: LOLILOL ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:20PM

I was able to access the station's digital feed directly on my iPhone through the ooTunes radio app. If you have a radio app, do a search for the call letters of the station CJYE.

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Posted by: grubbygert ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:26PM

"they have known since the late 60s that what they claim is a translation is not a translation"

very well made point

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Posted by: QWE ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:31PM

Tom needs to talk more about tithing, and how this differentiates mormonism from other religions imo.

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Posted by: thingsithink ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:34PM

Let them know. You can send a message in.

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Posted by: Probitas ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:34PM

Exactly...You get to be with your Family forever if and only if you are full tithe payer...fire insurance...etc.

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Posted by: grubbygert ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:36PM

"and I stood in court and faced questions from that judge"

but, but, but, I thought this was a 'frivolous lawsuit'

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Posted by: Lori C ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:42PM


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Date: February 08, 2014 03:42PM


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Posted by: The other Sofia ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:42PM

Great final statements!

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:49PM

. . . in grasping the concept of criminal fraud, under UK law, being committed in the name of religion with the intent of accruing financial gain (as opposed to the unrelated issue of faithfully believing in religious doctrine itself).

There was so much about this matter that Tom could have more deeply delved into but, quite frankly, Drew wasn't prepared to ask informed follow-up questions and was, well, kind of flip about the whole thing, IMO. This matter obviously needs to be adjudacated in a court of law under the guidance of a competent magistrate, not by a relatively uninformed radio talk show host. That opportunity is now, of course, on the horizon.

At any rate, given the circumstances, I still think that Tom and Tal did a pretty good job, especially since no one (including the show's host) were encumbered by the Holy Ghost.



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Posted by: The other Sofia ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:55PM

Yes, that is true. The host was uninformed and seemed concerned that other religions would be subject to the same lawsuits. Tal's example of young missionaries going out to convert people when the church has not informed them of the facts, in fact intentionally withheld the facts about things like the Book of Abraham and the Book of Mormon was very helpful for people who don't understand this.

Tal's question to Tom about whether the church knew about this and had been party to the hearings was helpful. I had thought they were. I didn't realize that they won't be offically involved until March 14, but that Tom thinks they probably had advance information.

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Posted by: The other Sofia ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:57PM

Tom pointed out that he does not count himself as a Mormon but that the church counts him, and others like him, as one of their 15 Million members. That they probably have more like 5 Million. I think that was good to get in. He and Tal made a couple of jokes about him being a God so they can't get rid of him. lol

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:58PM


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Posted by: Albinolamanite ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:45PM

I'm just glad that Tom was able to give everyone context for how serious the charges are and how rigorous the process was to bring them to this point. Hopefully we can start hearing less from all of the self-appointed lawyers on this board.

Listening to Tom makes me feel the spirit. I'm not kidding.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:46PM

It's there a way to listen to it later, podcast, or did somebody "tape" it so others could listen later?

Previous:
(should the damn live stream just start or do you have to hit play something download some new app or something?)



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Posted by: ellenl ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:46PM

I could have listened to these guys all day. Sorry it's over.

Great explanation by Tom of what the case is about (and what it's not).

Loved Tal on the exploitation of idealist young people in the missionary program.


Great job, Tom and Tal!

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Posted by: SL Cabbie ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:46PM

Roadkill.

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Posted by: thingsithink ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:46PM

Tom & Tal,

That was superb!

Roadkill.



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Posted by: zenmaster ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:47PM

For all those who missed it, could someone write a good complete summary of the points that were made?

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Posted by: grubbygert ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:56PM

they explained:

why this is not an attack on freedom of religion

why this is not an attack on monson - he is the head of the organization and that's why he was summoned - also, that others may also be summoned (that part warmed my heart!)

why this is not a lawsuit but a criminal investigation

why the 7 items in the summons can show that TSCC knows they are withholding critical information from members/investigators

why this is not a frivolous lawsuit that will immediately be thrown out and gave some background on how much work it took to get to this point

why monson should take the summons seriously

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Posted by: sonoma ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:48PM

Don't know if I can endure the atrocious music...

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Posted by: sonoma ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:50PM

Crap, missed it.

Had to listen to that Christian merde before I figured it out.

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Posted by: redpillswallowed ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:51PM

Excellent job Tom and Tal! Loved the interview and it was too short because you both are refreshing to listen to. Thank you!

I have to say that the guts it takes for both of these real men to stand up to TSCC is beyond admirable.

I love this, Tom Phillips. Man, this is amazing to watch unfold!

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Posted by: acerbic ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:53PM

1. Background about Tom.

2. That he received a second anointing so was a god.

3. That this is a criminal case, and that he was questioned
in court by the judge handling the case.

4. That other religions would not face the same type of fraud
charges because they are not claiming things that are
demonstrably false. Book of Abraham used as example.

5. That there are documents and so on that are purposely
hidden by the church authorities. Book of Abraham papyrus
example.

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Posted by: acerbic ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:56PM

Overall it was informative and amusing, and yes, the host was a bit flip but maybe thats his particular schtick.

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Posted by: grubbygert ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:58PM

I was thinking that he probably didn't want to piss off his regular audience...

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Posted by: zenmaster ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:57PM

Thanks!

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Posted by: anonow ( )
Date: February 08, 2014 03:58PM

What evidence is there that there are more Book of abraham papyrus that the church is hiding besides the fragments that we already know about?

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