Actually, Hitler was raised as a Catholic -- not that he is one that we Catholics like to claim!

This painting is not half bad.

I'm surprised at the colors, you'd expect this man to paint in a dark and brooding style.

But since it was painted in 1913, it was before Hitler served in WWI (1914-1918)

Who knows how his experiences during 4 years of war affected his psyche.
It's also possible that the constant shelling affected his brain.

however I believe both Catholics and Jews had rules about usury amongst themselves but could lend money to each other (non-believers). So I believe religious dogma about money lending had something to do with the hyperinflation that preceded the outbreak of WW2

LD$ Inc. did Hitler's necroordinances so maybe he is LD$ now.

global domination instead of painting religious pictures. With global domination he made a living for the next 32 years and caused all sorts of trouble. If he had stayed a tenth-rate religious picture-painter he would have starved to death before 1920.

Hitler was no more a christian than Bin Laden. If he believed in anything it was in the workings of historical inevitability - a bastard form of historico/biological/social Darwinism - which he called "Providence" because that's what his audience liked to hear.

He wasn't above claiming the Lord was on his side to the public while to his inner circle he was ranting how Christianity was merely a Jewish plot to undermine the moral strength of the West with weaknesses like compassion and pity.

I'll agree that Hitler was not a REAL CHRISTIAN™ but he was not any less of a Christian than people like Pat Robertson who use the religion to advance their political agenda:

"...I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years.

-Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872

There are pictures of him meeting with the Pope of the time and other high ranking Catholics. I'm sure Hitler knew very well that Christianity led by such men was not oozing compassion and pity.

He could have folded smaller Christian groups if they had protested the treatment of the Jews. I read some information about the Mormons who said nothing about the treatment of Jews. They were left alone. The Jehovah's Witnesses were rounded up because the refused to participate in the fighting.

Some point to Hitler's use of the occult and pre-Christian religion as an indication he was not a believer. Hitler was covering his bases. He wanted protection from any and all supernatural forces. He seems like Constantine who worshiped traditional Roman gods but on his death bed was supposed to have accepted Christ.

Hitler was also psychotic. While I consider many religious adherents to be mentally unstable, Hitler was out there. His beliefs were all over the place.He hated communism, but he did not allow free-market capitalism, instead he favoured state control of private production for the benefit of the state, not the owner of the means of production. He may have dabbled in the occult, but he went to church too. He did whatever it took, and people were expendable

ozpoof Wrote:
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> There are pictures of him meeting with the Pope of
> the time and other high ranking Catholics. I'm
> sure Hitler knew very well that Christianity led
> by such men was not oozing compassion and pity.
>
> He could have folded smaller Christian groups if
> they had protested the treatment of the Jews. I
> read some information about the Mormons who said
> nothing about the treatment of Jews. They were
> left alone. The Jehovah's Witnesses were rounded
> up because the refused to participate in the
> fighting.
>
> Some point to Hitler's use of the occult and
> pre-Christian religion as an indication he was not
> a believer. Hitler was covering his bases. He
> wanted protection from any and all supernatural
> forces. He seems like Constantine who worshiped
> traditional Roman gods but on his death bed was
> supposed to have accepted Christ.
>
> Hitler was also psychotic. While I consider many
> religious adherents to be mentally unstable,
> Hitler was out there. His beliefs were all over
> the place.He hated communism, but he did not allow
> free-market capitalism, instead he favoured state
> control of private production for the benefit of
> the state, not the owner of the means of
> production. He may have dabbled in the occult, but
> he went to church too. He did whatever it took,
> and people were expendable

World leaders, Christian and non Christian, meet with the pope and have their picture taken with him all the time. It doesn't prove anything.I guess those Muslim and Jewsih leaders who met him are really Catholic.

Bin Laden never claimed to be a christian so your strawman "arguments" expose you as a typical christer liar.

I don't have the link right now but a psychiatrist who wrote the psychohistory of Hitler includes the references to Hitler using Christianity on purpose to lure in the people while saying to his inner circle that he would destroy Christianity. Any artist raised in a Christian nation, including Jews, have painted Christian paintings. That is not proof of his being a Christian. What he said to the people about Christianity is not proof of being Christian. He was a psychopathic liar.

He was surrounded by gay men in his inner circle in the beginning. At some point he decided to rid himself of those people and had them murdered. Suddenly came out against homosexuality.

Hitler was an occultist not a Christian. The historical record is replete with the information of what he and his inner circle really believed and how they intended to use the people's Christianity to deceive them. Psychopaths don't tell you the truth. They use what you love to gain your trust.

A great book: Hitler: The Pathology of Evil by George Victor

I've had the REAL CHRISTIAN™ argument so many times about Hitler and anyone else who besmirched the name of Christianity.

The Crusades- They were not REAL CHRISTIANS™

The Inquisition- Not REAL CHRISTIANS™

Sexual Abuse scandels- Oh, not REAL CHRISTIANS™

Who gets to say?

REAL CHRISTIANS?

People who are not Christian and do not believe in Christ do not go to Christian churches.

ozpoof Wrote:
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> People who are not Christian and do not believe in
> Christ do not go to Christian churches.

Hitler didn't attend church. BTW, politicians will often pretend to be religious when they are not if it will get them votes.

... to get votes.

BTW, we don't want him either.

Timothy

Cristina Wrote:
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> I don't have the link right now but a psychiatrist
> who wrote the psychohistory of Hitler includes the
> references to Hitler using Christianity on purpose
> to lure in the people while saying to his inner
> circle that he would destroy Christianity. Any
> artist raised in a Christian nation, including
> Jews, have painted Christian paintings. That is
> not proof of his being a Christian. What he said
> to the people about Christianity is not proof of
> being Christian. He was a psychopathic liar.
>
> He was surrounded by gay men in his inner circle
> in the beginning. At some point he decided to rid
> himself of those people and had them murdered.
> Suddenly came out against homosexuality.
>
> Hitler was an occultist not a Christian. The
> historical record is replete with the information
> of what he and his inner circle really believed
> and how they intended to use the people's
> Christianity to deceive them. Psychopaths don't
> tell you the truth. They use what you love to
> gain your trust.
>
> A great book: Hitler: The Pathology of Evil by
> George Victor

Hitler said privately that Christianity was a religion for weaklings. Publically he used religion to further his political agenda. As an adult, he did not attend mass and was in to the occult and paganism.Having water sprinkled on you as a baby hardly makes you a devout Catholic.Hitler was not an atheist, but he was hardly a Christian either. BTW, Goebbels came under a alot of criticism from Nazis for having his duaghter christened even though Hitler attended. Nazis had their own ceremonies for namings etc.

ozpoof Wrote:
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But not on a regular basis. He seldom attended. A good Catholic is required to attend on all Sundays and Holy Days.

Cristina Wrote:
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What he said
> to the people about Christianity is not proof of
> being Christian. He was a psychopathic liar.
>
> Hitler was an occultist not a Christian. The
> historical record is replete with the information
> of what he and his inner circle really believed
> and how they intended to use the people's
> Christianity to deceive them. Psychopaths don't
> tell you the truth. They use what you love to
> gain your trust.

There is no "inner circle" with psychopaths. Just useful idiots. A lot of the occult used Germanic symbology as a tool of increasing nationalism. We really can't say that Hitler believed in the occult either as a psychopath can we?

ozpoof Wrote:
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> Cristina Wrote:
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> -----
> What he said
> > to the people about Christianity is not proof
> of
> > being Christian. He was a psychopathic liar.
> >
> > Hitler was an occultist not a Christian. The
> > historical record is replete with the
> information
> > of what he and his inner circle really believed
> > and how they intended to use the people's
> > Christianity to deceive them. Psychopaths
> don't
> > tell you the truth. They use what you love to
> > gain your trust.
>
> There is no "inner circle" with psychopaths. Just
> useful idiots. A lot of the occult used Germanic
> symbology as a tool of increasing nationalism. We
> really can't say that Hitler believed in the
> occult either as a psychopath can we?

We can't be sure what anyone belived, but statements to friends by a politician are more likely to be accurate than public, political statements. In private, Hitelr ridiculed Christianity.

It's all about controlling everyone at once.

After all, Irving Berlin was Jewish and wrote "White Christmas"...

I think he was a came.... chamel..... one a them lizards that changes color.... to suit his audience.

The StalkerDog™ Wrote:
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> After all, Irving Berlin was Jewish and wrote
> "White Christmas"...
>
> I think he was a came.... chamel..... one a them
> lizards that changes color.... to suit his
> audience.

Kirk Douglas who is Jewish, has a painting of Christ in his bedroom. Quess what? The artist is also Jewish. He wrote about it in his autobiography, "The Ragman's Son". I also agree with you about Christmas songs. Barbra Streisand, Neil Diamond and many other non Christians have put out Christmas albums which include the religious carols. This does not make them Christian.I did a drawing of Cupid once.I must be a pagan.



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lol...Craziest thing I've heard- "Jesus wasn't a Jew, he was Jewish."

It's inane how many racist idiots believe Jesus was not a Jew.

... some hippies were jews.

Timothy

I don't quite understand why everyone cares so much.

My 'enemies' now are people who try to draw lines around their own religious tribe because almost all of them exclude me.

Ironically, Hitler would have thought I was an Aryan goddess.

Heresy Wrote:
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> Ironically, Hitler would have thought I was an
> Aryan goddess.
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I hear ya.

I am a German breed of dog, after all.

I don't believe in God's only beloved son, the atonement, being cleansed by the blood of Christ, the one and only true way or that salvation required the sacrifice of Christ... So I am not a Christian.

But I have a nice collection of crosses and wear them once or twice a week. Because they look really cool. I go to the Cathedral once in a while, even gone at 7:00 am to hear the priests sing at sunrise and later at sunset. It's beautiful. I like going to mass once or twice a year because I find it soothing, the church's are beautiful and I love the art and music.

I don't mind if anyone believes in Jesus. I understand why they would since I once did. The evidence against me might suggest that I am a Christian. Yet, I am not afraid to say I don't believe Jesus Christ died for you or me. And if God requires such a thing, thanks but no thanks.

The evidence of Hitler being a Christian is on the outside.

Surely one can be a good catholic (in the sense of being involved in church) without being a good Christian...or even a Christian for that matter. Being a member of a church doesn't make a person a Christian.