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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: December 28, 2013 12:23AM

Yes, it's soon, but it's obviously again time for another desperation-move, Mormon Church-essay roll-out, this one designed to once again throw Brigham Young under the bus.

Unfortuantely for LDS Inc.'s control-the-stink Damage Control Department, there's a new complication The Mormon Church will have to sacrifice on its altar of convenient contortion the official teachings Mormonism's inventor, Jospeh Smith (along with all the other Mormon Church presidents who followed his doctrinally-despicable lead).
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It is an undeniable fact of history that Mormon Church presidents have--in that highest-level capacity of authority which exists in said church--officially and unequivocably taught as Mormon Church doctrine that Jewish and Gentile blood require being changed into Mormon blood before Jews and Gentiles can be accepted by the Mormon Jesus.

We are talking about a blood change that is literal, not figurative; real, not imagined--a Mormon God-ordained transfusion, if you will, where the "bad" blood of non-Mormons who are baptized into the LDS Church is literally transformed into the "good" blood of Mormons who are on a White supremacist purification kick. Again, we are speaking of an actual physical blood-swap that changes every bad-blooded person into a unique, genetically-superior Mormon pure-blood. In other words, into a Thorobred of the Gods.

This is not just some not-to-be-taken-word-for-word, supposedly-figurative doctrine of the Mormon Church. This is the bloody-bad racist doctrinal stuff of the Mormon Church at its worst--AS IT WAS TAUGHT BY JOSEPH SMITH HIMSELF (and, after that, carried down the bloodline, so to speak, by his successor, Brigham the Bigot Young, and from there on to other Mormon Churdh presidents and high LDS leaders).

This is, indeed, a utterly bizarre, twisted, racist (and eventually deeply anti-Semtiic) official Mormon Church two-step doctrine which requires that:

a) the physical blood of Gentiles be changed into the physical blood of Jews; and that

b) the physical blood of Jews then be changed into the physical blood of Mormons.

You can't make this stuff up. Wait, The Mormons did.
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Let's start with this "celestial" injection of Mormonism's "better blood" into the bodies of Gentiles who Mormons regard as having been cursed with "badder blood."

From the article, "Curse of Cain? Racism in the Mormon Church, Part One," under the subtitle, "Changing the Blood":

"One of the more bizarre doctrines THAT JOSEPH SMITH TAUGHT was that A GENTILE MUST LITERALLY HAVE HIS BLOOD CHANGED so that he is actually of the seed of Abraham:

"'. . . [A}s the Holy Ghost falls upon one of the LITERAL seed of Abraham, it is calm and serene; . . . while the effect of the Holy Ghost upon a GENTILE, is to PURGE OUT THE OLD BLOOD and make him ACTUALLY of the seed of Abraham."

("History of the Church," vol. 3, p. 380, emphasis added)


"Brigham Young, the second President of the LDS Church, APPROVED OF SMITH'S TEACHING:

"'Again, if a pure Gentile firmly believes the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and yields obedience to it, in such a case I will give you the words of the Prophet Joseph: 'When the Lord pours out the Holy Ghost upon that individual he will have spasms, and you would think that he was going into fits.'

"'JOSEPH SAID THAT THE GENTILE BLOOD WAS ACTUALLY CLEANSED OUT OF THEIR VEINS, AND THE BLOOD OF JACOB MADE TO CIRCULATE IN THEM; and the revolution and change in the system were so great that it caused the beholder to think they were going into fits.'

("Journal of Discourses," vol. 2, p. 269, emphasis added)


"According to this doctrine we would expect that a Jew would have the proper blood, but Brigham Young taught that EVEN A JEW MUST HAVE HIS BLOOD CHANGED:

"'If a Jew comes into this Church, and honestly professes to be a Saint, a follower of Christ, and IF THE BLODD OF JUDAH IS IN HIS VEINS, HE WILL APOSTATIZE. He may have been born and bred a Jew, . . . and have openly professed to be a Jew all his days; but I will tell you a secret: There is not a particle of the blood of Judaism in him, if he has become a true Christian, a Saint of God; for if there is, he will most assuredly leave the Church of Christ, or THAT BLOOD WILL BE PURGED OUT OF HIS VEINTS. We have men among us who were Jews, . . . [H]ere is brother Neibaur; do I believe there is ONE PARTICLEW OF THE BLOOD OF JUDAH IN HIS VEINS? NO, NOT SO MUCH AS OULD BE SEEN ON THE POINT OF THE FINEST CAMBRIC NEEDLE, THROUGH A MICROSCOPE WITH A MAGNIFYING POWER OF TWO MILLIONS."

("Journal of Discourses," vol. 2, p. 142, emphasis added)


"[Mormon resesarcher and writer] Armand Mauss observed:

"'With the passage of time, especially in recent decades, authoritative Mormon discourse has placed less emphasis on the salience of literal lineage and more emphasis on the potentially universal inclusiveness of God's ancient covenant with Abraham. As this change of emphasis continues, the logical paradox is on the way to resolution. After all, if embracing the gospel of Christ is all that really matters for full participation in the Abrahamic covenant, why should one's GENETIC lineage be given any salience whatsoever?

"'Yet, the earlier focus on the importance of LITERAL Israelite has remained influential in the thinking of many Mormons, even into the 21st century, seemingly as a residue of the RACIALIST interpretations of history once so common in America as well as in Europe.'

("All Abraham's Children," p. 3, emphasis added)


"Mauss further commented:

"'DURING THE LIFE AND MINISTRY OF JOSEPH SMITH, Mormonism shared several millennial expectations with its Protestant American environment. These included the gathering of both the Jews and the 'lost tribes'of Israel, with a special vanguard role for the tribe of Ephraim in that gathering. . . . Like many other Americans, they also identified the American Indians as descendants of the lost tribes. With the exodus to Utah in the middle of the 19th century, Mormon conceptions about LINEAGE evolved into a fuller racialist explanation of history generally and of the Saints' own destiny in particular.

"This RACIALIST [whatever that means] framework synthesized three elements:

"(1) an emerging and expanded understanding about premortal life;

"(2) British Israelism; and

"(3) ANGLO-SAXON TRIUMPHALISM and, to a lesser extent, British Israelism had gained widespread popularity among intellectual elites in America, as well as in parts of Europe.

"By the early decades of the 20th century, a RACIALIST historical narrative had developed in which SOME LINEAGES WERE FAVORED OVER OTHERS BY DEITY OR DESTINY OR BOTH. The Mormon version of this narrative provided a RANK-ORDERING OF LINEAGES that maintained the PRE-EMINENT POSITION OF MORMONS as mainly ANGLO-SAXON DESCENDANTS of Ephraim, charged with the responsibility of building and ruling the eventual kingdom of God on earth."

("All Abraham's Children," pp. 35-36, emphasis added)

(the above cited from "Curse of Cain? Racism in the Mormon Church, Part One," under "Changing the Blood," emphasis added, at: http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/curseofcain_part1.htm)


"Racialist," my eye.

Racism, pure and simple.

Oh, and don't forget: anti-Semitic, too.
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Let's move, now, to the anti-Jewish element of this sticky-icky official Mormon Church doctrine by following the blood trail further.

From the article, "All Things Mormon--Jews and Judaism":

"Brigham Young and Wilford Woodruff consistently and repeatedly taught:

" . . . If a Jew truly could become a Christian HIS BLOOD WOULD CHANGE.

"The Jew that stays in Mormonism NEVER HAS ANY JEWISH BLOOD IN HIM. . . .

"It is as useless to preach to Jews as it is to Blacks.

"[Here are] Brigham Young’s teachings on Jews:

“We might say much on this point, showing you why things are as they are concerning the inhabitants of the earth receiving or rejecting the Gospel. Do you suppose they believe in Jesus Christ at Jerusalem? Can you make a Christian of a Jew? I tell you, nay. If a Jew comes into this Church, and honestly professes to be a Saint, a follower of Christ, and IF THE BLOOD OF JUDAH IS IN HIS VEINS< HE WILL APOSTATIZE.

"He may have been born and bred a Jew, have the face of a Jew, speak the language of the Jews and have attended to all the ceremonies of the Jewish religion, and have openly professed to be a Jew all his days; but I will tell you a secret: THERE IS NOT A PARTICLE OF THE BLOOD OF JUDAISM IN HIM, IF HE HAS BECOME A TRUE CHRISTIAN, A SAINT OF GOD, FOR IF THERE IS, HE WILL MOST ASSUREDLY LEAVE THE CHURCH OF CHRIST, OR THAT BLOOD WILL BE PURGED OUT OF HIS VEINS.

"We have men among us who were Jews, and became converted from Judaism. For instance, here is brother Neibaur; DO I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE PARTICLE OF THE BLOOD OF JUDAH IN HIS VEINS? NO, NOT SO MUCH AS COULD BE SEEN ON THE POINT OF THE FINEST CAMBRIC NEEDLE, THROUGH A MICROSCOPE WITH A MAGNIFYING POWER OF TWO MILLIONS.

"This is a secret that you will perhaps find out, in a coming day, to your satisfaction. The Lord knew how to preach to the Jews and told them what the truth was. You may as well undertake to command the most degraded of these Indian tribes, and give them arms and accouterments, and try to put them through the regular military exercise, as to preach to the Jews to make them believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.”

(Brigham Young, "Journal of Discourses" 2:142, 3 December 1854, emphasis added)


Brigham Young taught that actual, physical Jewish blood is forever tainted because it is housed in the bodies of Jews whose people crucified the Mormon Jesus and who, therefore, must have that blood physically eliminated from their bloodstreams before their LDS-style salvation can continue. At that point of purging, Young declared, they will no longer be Jews but become red-blooded Mormons and, therefore, will be demmed acceptab in the blue-and-delightsome eyes of the Mormon Jesus:

“Let me here say a word to the Jews. We do not want you to believe our doctrine. If any professing to be Jews should do so, it would prove that they are not Jews. A Jew cannot now believe in Jesus Christ.

"Brother Neibaur, WHO THINKS HE IS A JEW, IS A GOOD LATTER-DAY SAINT; HE HAS NOT ANY OF THE BLOOD OF JUDAH IN HIS VEINS.

"The decree has gone forth from the Almighty that they [Jews] cannot have the benefit of the atonement until they gather to Jerusalem, for they said, 'Let his blood be upon us and upon our children;' consequently, they cannot believe in him until his Second Coming. . . . When he [Jesus] comes again, he will not come as he did when the Jews rejected him; neither will he appear first at Jerusalem when he makes his Second Appearance on the earth; but he will appear first on the land where he commenced his work in the beginning, and planted the Garden of Eden, and that was done in the land of America.”

(Brigham Young, "Journal of Discourses," 11:279, 23 December 1866, emphasis added)


Brigham Young taught that no Jew in the membership ranks of the Mormon Church could claim to be a "full-blooded" Jew and expect to be fully-blessed by God:

“There are some in this Church who claim to be Jews, BUT THERE IS NOT A FULL-BLOODED JEW IN THE CHURCH THAT WILL REMAIN IN IT, NEITHER WILL THERE BE. THEY CANNOT RECEIVE THEIR INHERITANCES until the whole family of Jacob have first received theirs.'”

("Brigham Young Addresses." 4:234, 7 October 1862, emphasis added)


According to Brigham Young (as reported in the Mormon Church-owned "Deseret News Weekly"), not only are Jews literally, physically and sinfully-blooded, they are relegated by the Mormon God to a degraded state similar to that of cursed non-Mormon Blacks whose skin was color-coded for punishment by the LDS system of divinely-blessed racism:

“[Brigham Young] [r]eferred to the history and practices of the Jews. In reference to their conversion, he said they never will believe until Jesus comes again, and preaching will have no more effect upon them than it will UPON THE COLOR OF THE DESCENDANTS OF CAIN."

("Brigham Young Addresses," 4:238, in "Deseret News Weekly," 14:221), 7 December 1862, emphasis added)


Indeed, Brigham Young taught that so-called "Negro Jews" (yes, you read that correctly) were literally and physically infected with Black blood which, therefore, effectively denies them the Mormon priesthood and its attendant White-wrapped blessings and stuck at the back of the line with Blacks:

"'THE BLOOD OF JUDAH has not only mingled almost with all nations, But ALSO WITH THE BLOOD OF CAIN, AND THEY HAVE MINGLED THEIR SEED TOGETHER; THESE NEGRO JEWS may keep up all the outward ordinances of the Jewish religion; they may have their sacrifices and they may perform all the religious ceremonies any people on earth could perform, but let me tell you that the day they consented TO MINGLE THEIR SEED WITH CANAAN, THE PRIESTHOOD WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM JUDAH, AND THAT PORTION OF JUDAH'S SEED WILL NEVER GET ANY RULE OR BLESSINGS OF THE PRIESTHOOD UNTIL CAIN GETS IT."

"(Brigham Young, speech to Joint Session of the Utah Terrotorial Legislature, quoted in "Teachings of President Brigham Young," Collier, pp. 45-46, 49-50, emphasis added)


To drive that point home, Brigham Young declared:

“It has been argued that MANY OF THE JEWS WERE BLACK. WHENEVER THE SEED OF JUDAH MINGLED WITH THE SEED OF CAIN, THEY LOST THEIR PRIESTHOOD AND ALL THE BLESSINGS."

("Brigham Young Addresses" 2:81, emphasis added)


Brigham Young taught that Jews from Asia, in particular, were cursed with "Negro" blood and, therefore, were not entitled to be leaders in the Mormon Church or, for that matter, in state government:

“Every man and woman and child in this territory are citizens; to say the contrary is all nonsense to me. The Indians are citizens, the Africans are citizens and THE JEWS THAT COME FROM ASIA, THAT ARE ALMOST ENTIRELY OF THE BLOOD OF CAIN, It is our duty to take care of them and administer to them in all the acts of humanity and kindness. They shall have the right of citizenship, BUT SHALL NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DICtATE IN CHURCH AND STATE AFFAIRS."

("Brigham Young Addresses" 2:79-80, 5 January 1852, emphasis added)


According to Brigahm Young, being Jewish meant that your fate was sealed:

“[Brigham Young] [p]ointed out the way in which the Jews and other nations had sealed their DAMNATION.”

("Brigham Young Addresses" 4:10-11, March 1860, empbasis added)
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On we go with the bigoted blood flow.

Taking his cue from the Joseph Smith and Brigham Young playbook, Mormon Church president Wilford Woodruff taught that being a Jew was a God-decreed curse that shows up as blood-borne disease:

“THE CURSE OF GOD HAD FOLLOWED THEM, THE JEWS, as it has done the Jews, though the Jews have not been darkened in their skin as have the Lamanites.

"The fate of the Jews in this respect is a standing monument to all infidelity. The prediction of Jesus with regard to them has been literally fulfilled. He predicted that they should be led away captive unto all nations, and that Jerusalem should be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. When Pilate was ready to release Jesus because he found no fault in him, the Pharisees and high priests, being filled with prejudice, would not have it. They cried out 'Crucify him, crucify him, and let his BLOOD be upon us and our children.'

"The prediction of Jesus has been verified, and its fulfillment is before the world today. The Jews have been trampled under the feet of the gentiles for 1,800 years. and they are to-day being persecuted in European nations.

"Why? Because that CURSE OF GOD RESTS UPON THEM and will rest upon them until Shiloh comes, until they are regathered to Jerusalem and re-build the city in un-belief. You cannot convert a Jew. They will never believe in Jesus Christ until he comes to them in Jerusalem, until these fleeing Jews take back their gold and silver to Jerusalem and re-build their city and temple, and they will do this as the Lord lives. . . . The Jews rejected the message: the Gentiles received it, and unto them was given all the gifts and blessings of the Gospel."

Woodruff invoked JOSEPH SMITH in defending this racist, anti-Semtiic, official Mormon Church doctrine:

"There has not been an organization of the Church of Christ on the earth from the days of the ancient Apostles, UNTIL THE DAYS OF JOSEPH SMITH, who came forth in this great and last dispensation, and who by inspiration and power from on high again restored the Gospel. The world do not believe this. We cannot help that. The unbelief of the world does not make the work of the Lord of non-effect.

"The Lord has set his hand to establish his Church and Kingdom, and the warning voice is to all men. He has called his servant [JOSEPH SMITH] to bear record of this to all nations. This is what the Lord is doing with these despised Mormons. And already the members of nearly every sect under heaven have embraced this work, though our numbers are small compared with the Christian world. We expect this.

"'As it was in the days of Noah and Lot so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man. These principles are true. The world does not know what awaits them no more than they did in the days of Noah, or in the days of the Jews.'

(Wilford Woodruff, "Journal of Discourses" 22:173ff, 12 June 1881, emphasis added)
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***SPEAKING OF EMPHASIS, LET"S NOT LEAVE OUT JOSEPH SMITH***

Before desperately-apologizing Mormons mount another lame defense by insisting that this is all just a bunch of misguided, racist, Jew-hating Mormon Church blather that the Mormon Church now disavows, the uncomfortable historical reality remains that the LDS Church cannot throw Brigham Young (and other MOrmon Church presidents) under the bus without throwing Joseph Smith there, too.

Why?

Because the notion of "bad blood" literally and physically being purged from the veins of "bad people" before they can be saved by the Mormon God is a badly-bigoted idea that courses straight back to Joseph Smith.

To repeat Smith's own words:

“The effect of the Holy Ghost upon a Gentile is to PURGE OUT THE OLD BLOOD and make him actually of the seed of Abraham. That man that has none of the blood of Abraham naturally must have a new creation by the Holy Ghost.”

("Words of Joseph Smith," 27 June 1839)


Moreover (yes, Mormons, there is more), to add insult to blood removal, Joseph Smith announced that Jews who converted to Mormonism (meaning the ones who were requried to have their "bad blood" literally drained from their bodies and replaced by "good blood") should make their way to the Mornon Zion in America and not to Jerusalem:

“He requested to know if converted Jews are to go to Jerusalem or to come to Zion. I therefore wish you to inform him that converted Jews must come here.”

(Joseph Smith, 19 October 1840, "Teachings of Joseph Smith." p. 180; "History of the Church" 4:232)

(for additional racist, anti-Semtic teachings of Mormon Church presidents and other high LDS leaders, see: "All Things Mormon: Jews & Judiasm," at: http://www.allthingsmormon.com/wiki/forgotten-mormon-doctrines/jews-judaism/)

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The Mormon Church's anonymous writers need to spend the rest of their days cranking out the mountains of essays needed to admit, and to apologize for, the historially-disgraceful fact that official Mormon Church doctrine is deadly, decayed and decadent to its ugly little core.

Once finished with that unholy homework assignment, the Mormon Church should fold its tent and return to each and every one of its deceived followers all that it stole from them under false pretenses, lo, these many years.



Edited 18 time(s). Last edit at 12/28/2013 05:30AM by steve benson.

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Posted by: zenjamin ( )
Date: December 28, 2013 01:18PM

Delineting the content in this compact efficient manner exposes completely the crudeness - and by extrapolation the made-upped-ness - of the doctrine.

Their doctrine has all the sophistication and magical thinking of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn becoming 'blood brothers' via a finger cut.



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Posted by: get her done ( )
Date: December 28, 2013 02:29PM

Excellent again.

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Posted by: cynthus ( )
Date: December 28, 2013 02:41PM

I am sitting here flabbergasted-- I had thought that it was more an adoption idea than a change of physical blood. Geez-- completely flabbergasted... Thanks for the information.

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Posted by: oldspeak ( )
Date: June 06, 2014 01:18AM

A religion professor taught my class this at BYU. Of course he didn't say where he got the idea from. Just prefaced with, "This isn't Church doctrine, but it's my personal belief..."

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Posted by: Once More ( )
Date: December 28, 2013 03:12PM

Thanks, Steve, for this excellent summary.

Would you please provide links to the essays in question?
The essay about racism, and the essay about Jewish and Gentile blood can be read where?

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: December 28, 2013 04:30PM

http://www.lds.org/topics?lang=eng&letter=a

P.S.- I don't believe that in this collection, the Mormon Church has gotten around yet to addressing the Church's official doctrinal history on blood-purging, "Negro Jew"-bashing bigotry.

Perhaps they'll put it to Tabernacle Choir music for upcoming Easter General Conference.



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Posted by: Once More ( )
Date: December 28, 2013 04:00PM

What else are they going to blame on Brigham Young.

Is BY now the all-purpose fall guy for embarrassing mormon history or dogma?

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Posted by: breedumyung ( )
Date: January 08, 2014 09:08AM

I am ...

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Posted by: halmat ( )
Date: January 02, 2019 01:10AM

Brigham Young's bigotry and the cult's violent tendencies ("Mountain Meadow Massacre") are a small part of what Mormons should be embarrassed about. Mormonism is a sexist, racist cult started by a young man who had been convicted of swindling people by saying he could find hidden treasure by staring at two stones in a hat, which is the same way he "translated" the golden plates no one ever saw, to become the book of mormon. Later he "translated" an ancient Egyptian document to become "The Book of Abraham." But when Egyptologists viewed the document in the Salt Lake City temple, they all said it had nothing to do with Abrahm, but was instead a burial ceremony for a pharaoh. The document disappeared from public view shortly thereafter. It must take a lotta lotta helium to suspend one's beliefs enough to swallow all the preposterous claims.

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Posted by: spanner ( )
Date: December 28, 2013 04:20PM

Brigham wasn't bring inconsistent, he was distinguishing between Jews from the tribe of Judah, and Israelites from the other tribes, descendents of Jacob excluding Judah. So gentiles would have their blood changed into Israelite blood, and Jews would effectively change tribe to an Israelite tribe, with their Judaen blood transformed.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: December 28, 2013 04:27PM


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Posted by: hogdog ( )
Date: June 05, 2014 04:41PM

I don't know the man Brigham Young and hope i never do! Not a good man by any means! He is a scar on the face of the LDS church.He should be excommunicated!

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Posted by: hogdog ( )
Date: June 07, 2014 03:09PM

hogdog Wrote:
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> I don't know the man Brigham Young and hope i
> never do! Not a good man by any means, and He is a large
> scar on the face of the LDS church. TRULY, he should be
> excommunicated for all his immoral atrocities, and not praised as a man of God. He used God as did Warren Jeffs to have his way with the pioneers. He was a user, moocher and a control freak.


Did i leave any thing out?

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Posted by: Snoopy ( )
Date: August 16, 2015 01:28PM

Brigham Young was no prophet and never had any kind of revelation of any kind !!!--He was indeed ONLY the president of the Mormon church. If Joseph Smith who was a real Mormon prophet were around when ole-BY became leader of the church it would have NEVER EVER happened! Brigham Young will have to answer for all his evil bigotry and doings just like everyone else who lives upon this earth today when they meet their maker.

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Posted by: shakinthedust ( )
Date: December 28, 2013 10:05PM

I have the blood of Judah in my veins.

I apostatized.

Thanks Steve for another excellent post.

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Posted by: rt ( )
Date: June 05, 2014 06:09PM

I have a little ditty on my site called "How Mormons become Jews and Jews become Mormons".

When you are a live gentile and get baptized, you become a Jew. But when you're a dead Jew and get baptized posthumously, you become Mormon.

Facepalm...

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: June 05, 2014 06:53PM

and they must be a couple of booths shy of a full Denny's. I've always hated the way they misuse the word gentile.

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Posted by: cuppycakelicker ( )
Date: June 06, 2014 08:37AM

Oh my heck! BY even predicted the 2000000x electron microscope! For analyzing Jewish blood!! This proves the church is true!!!

Also, was there any commentary on Lamanite blood? Mormons called them "Jewish", implying they had at least one line back to Judah, despite their allegedly descent from one of Joseph's sons. Thus, they needed Jewish exsanguination as well, no?

And that thing about a Levite who joined the cult being able to officiate as a bishop without counselors? Wouldn't he lose that inherited right when his blood got replaced with Morg bile?

Were all these different bloods to be transformed into the same light at the Resurrection? Would a light transplant between an unconverted Jew and a CK-bound Mormon work?

Most likely, JS's hat had a hidden hole in the top. When he needed really profound revelation, he would squat above it, stick his hand into and through it, and pull something right out of his ass.

Or maybe he just loved his Jimson weed.

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Posted by: michaelc1945 ( )
Date: August 16, 2015 02:39PM

I have Jews in one part of my mom's family and they were always tickled that the Mormons called them gentiles.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: November 27, 2016 06:24PM


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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: November 27, 2016 06:59PM

If I become an exmormon do I lose my mormon blood ?

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Posted by: Dracula ( )
Date: November 27, 2016 07:38PM


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Posted by: michaelc1945 ( )
Date: November 27, 2016 10:21PM

I had an uncle who converted to Judaism and he used to comment that he found it amusing how the Mormons called the Jews gentiles. We had a very ecumestic family at one time made up of Protestants, Jews and Mormons. Now all that remain are Protestants and Jews. I guess my blood changed again after I resigned as did all of my Mormon family who now don't believe.

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Posted by: anono this week ( )
Date: January 02, 2019 07:41AM

Mormons have traditionally been a very white-supremacist racist kind of people. It starts with the first verses of Abraham where it says Abraham: "desired the 'right' of the first born conferred upon by the fathers. And he became a 'rightful' heir.

But mormon racism gets even more tricky with the writings found in Stand ye in Holy places. There he talks about how it's just not as good to be born a Chinese, Indian, Mexican. And how they need to be avoided, and how special whites are. David O McKay in Secrets to Happy living discusses the need for the parents of young women to study the "genealogy" of young men trying to suit their daughters. And that every Mormon child deserves a suitable (English) family name. He even relates how "tainted" blood gets into families (by co-habitation). This somehow effects the capacity of spirituality among young children.

Of course all these old books are out of print and no one is suppose to know anything about that stuff.

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