Looks like these people were blamed as non-Mormons in Missouri and now Mormons in Utah.
https://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng
"Southerners who had converted to the Church and migrated to Utah with their slaves raised the question of slavery’s legal status in the territory. In two speeches delivered before the Utah territorial legislature in January and February 1852, Brigham Young announced a policy restricting men of black African descent from priesthood ordination."

God hates the South?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller??

Seriously I thought Mormonism had few converts from the South. Parley Pratt got himself killed attempting to poach women from The South!

I thought Parley was killed by the estranged husband of a wife he picked up in CA. Based on what I've read, the husband wanted his kids back and chased Parley down and shot him in the back.

http://jared.pratt-family.org/parley_histories/parley-death-stephen-pratt.html

My bad.

St. George got it's name "Dixie" due to Brigham calling 309 Southern families to establish the "Cotton Mission" in St. George the same year the Civil War started.

They arrived in two separate "waves" or groups.

"Both groups were from the Southern States, and had experience growing cotton. They came mainly from the states of Mississippi, Alabama, Virginia, Texas, and Tennessee. Robert Covington had worked as an overseer on a cotton plantation where he directed slaves in the growing of cotton. These settlers brought tobacco with them, as well as the habit of using it."

Here is the sermon found in the Journal of Discourses given by Brigham Young concerning his scheme to make money though cotton production, i.e. selling it throughout the United States at a time when production of cotton was limited because of the war.

Mention is made concerning Southern Utah on p. 228 at the bottom right of the page.

http://jod.mrm.org/10/221






Reference: http://historypreserved.com/Washington%20City%20Historical%20Society.htm



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Thanks Senorita. So basically LDS Inc. is blaming Southerns for their racism even though there weren't many actually in Utah before 1852?

So LDS Inc. has a very very long history of blaming others for its terrible policies, revelations, etc.

But "God is leading the church." Of course. You just need a testimony. What a wonderful thing a testimony is - just a license to believe whatever is convenient to keep being a Mormon.

http://www.lds.org/ensign/1977/06/mississippi-mormons

Apparently they went westward a year before Brigham was to follow.

Circa 1846 or 1847.


The civil war began on April 12, 1861 -- a full 15 years after the westward move.

Apparently Southerners made up only 3 percent of Mormons at the time.



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Wait! Briggy didn't blaze the trail?

he had his peeps go before him, have things ready for HRH???

http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/blackmormon/000H13.html

Scroll down to John Brown. He was African American. I stand astonished!

Apparently he "accompanied Brigham Young on his entrance to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847. He was among the first Mormons to enter what is now the state of Utah. In 1848 he travelled back to his home state of Mississippi in order to lead the Mississippi Mormons (both black and white) to the Salt Lake Valley. In the spring of 1848 57 white and 37 black Mormons left Mississippi in 11 wagons.

John Brown later said:

"Every man, woman and child, both white and black, gazed at us with astonishment as we passed their habitations." [i.e. both black and whites in Mississippi couldn't believe that a black man was leading 11 wagons of almost 100 souls~both black and whites together]

(from Black Latter-day Saints Pioneers online)



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Senoritalamanita Wrote:
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> Apparently Southerners made up only 3 percent of
> Mormons at the time.

So 3 percent and not even many of them made up a big part of the governing part of Mormonism, but 3 percent of Mormons are to blame for the racism of thousands of people for decade after decade?

Really?

List of LDS wagon trains/companies that travelled west:


http://history.lds.org/overlandtravels/companydatelist

This also explains the Mountains Meadow Massacre...dirty intolerant southerners!

That does bring up and interesting point. A bunch of Southerers were massacred by Mormons yet the racist policy was a result of them as Mormons.

It stinks. To think LDS Inc. would blame them after killing a bunch of them.

Christ's church alright.

It get's worse for the church. Most southerners were not slave owners. Think about it, it's basic math. There were more white people, than black people. Factor in the massive plantations that employed hundreds, if not thousands of black slaves to a single owner (even though most slave owners only had one or two slaves), and you soon realize that slave owning was simply something most southerners did not do.

I come from East Tennessee. East Tennessee actually had far more of its sons fight for the Union army, then the confederate. There were actually entire regiments of white southern men, from nearly every confederate state in the union fighting for the North (though in most places, most people fought for their state over their country) The sentiment in many places though, was that the poorer folks did not want to fight and die, or tear their country apart, for the sake of a few spoiled slaveholders.

Of the few converts who came out of the south, just exactly how many of them would have came from the richer part of society, that owned slaves? I will grant there were probably some, but I am sure you could probably count them on your fingers.

forbiddencokedrinker Wrote:
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> Of the few converts who came out of the south,
> just exactly how many of them would have came from
> the richer part of society, that owned slaves? I
> will grant there were probably some, but I am sure
> you could probably count them on your fingers.

And did they have callings even remotely close to those long dead racist "prophet, seers, and revelators"???

I bet not.

The Southern Whipping Boy is a smoking gun that LDS Inc. is a pathetic 19th Century cult and LDS Inc. is issuing information like FAIRLDS.org instead of LDS.org.

I just looked it up. About seventy five percent of white southern households in not own slaves. So the church is telling me that the same organization that routinely ignores the needs of women and single members, would cave in to a handful of white southerners?

forbiddencokedrinker Wrote:
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> So the church is telling me that the same
> organization that routinely ignores the needs of
> women and single members, would cave in to a
> handful of white southerners?

Maybe there was a branch of the KKK in Utah and these white men pressured Brigham with threats of violence?

Seriously, Brigham was undisputed King there and could have accepted Black men to the priesthood and no one would have batted an eye.

the most obvious way to placate them is to say their slaves can't have the priesthood. That way, at least they know their slaves won't have any extra magic powers.

How about not letting anyone be a slave? Mormonism were supposedly abolitionist in Missouri.