I'm in SLC for a conference (western museums association), representing a LGBTQ Museum to be built in Hollywood. Also attending the conference are LD$ church representatives. The conference will end with a reception at the Church History Museum tonight.

They've announced an "overhaul" of the place due in 2014. It should be interesting to compare Before and After.

The LD$ rep stated (in a conference session I attended today) that their mission was not to convert visitors. HAHAHA. I had to stifle my laughter.

I'm interested in any comments about their museum and what I should look for.

So why the pretty girl mishes come up to me and wife (now ex) when we have gone there... several times..

I'd look on the outside at the entrance top left. Does it still have the 5 pointed star - the pentagram with the point facing down. If so, it's an occult sign of you know who.

Also, there was a children's corner in the museum with a giant upside down pentagram representing you know who. I wonder if that is still there?

Also, if you for any reason get across the street to the main Temple Square Visitor's center there is a pedestrian walkway going up to the second story observation of the Christus Statue. On the wall there is paneling about 3 feet high. Every 12-15 feet on those panels was an ornate inverted pentagram. I've seen pictures of those and wonder if they've been removed, or does TSCCult still have movable benches pushed up in front of them so you cannot see the symbols?

EDIT: Here’s a YouTube Video showing the pentagram on the outside of the Church History Museum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOW1qGbMFps

EDIT: Here’s a document with photos of the paneling around the Christus Statue with the upside down Pentagram (scroll down about 60% of the article): http://www.mormonoutreach.org/occult-symbols-explained.php

EDIT: Photo of the kids’ corner with upside down pentagrams: https://www.google.com/search?q=lds+church+museum+kids+corner&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=i7pZUpLiKaSviALP-4CYCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=585&dpr=1#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=qtiMK-WXH7Td0M%3A%3B47nCPB9zciNN1M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%252F2084%252F2250259997_5df9419bd8.jpg%253Fv%253D0%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.mrm.org%252Fnauvoo-pentagrams%3B500%3B333

EDIT: Photo link to the exterior entrance of the museum of the inverted pentagram: https://www.google.com/search?q=lds+church+museum+kids+corner&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=i7pZUpLiKaSviALP-4CYCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=585&dpr=1#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=a9E1z-J5pm0bCM%3A%3BTTJ4lhFepG-BlM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi2.wp.com%252Fvigilantcitizen.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2009%252F06%252Fpent2.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fvigilantcitizen.com%252Fsinistersites%252Fsinister-sites-temple-square-utah%252F%3B364%3B267



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/12/2013 05:38PM by jiminycricket.

I will return and report.

Seriously? What cult are you in that you can't say Satan?

No, the "upside down pentagram" is NOT a symbol for "you-know-who" -- Satan, Lord Voldemort, or any other evil persona.

In Wicca, an upside-down pentacle denotes the second degree of study, when an individual looks within and faces and acknowledges the shadow self -- all the hidden, buried feelings, desires, dreams, fears, negative emotions, etc. that most religions just try to eradicate.

Also, some pagans follow what is called the "left-hand path." While Satan is a Christian invention and pagans (since they are not Christians) don't recognize or believe in him, some individuals do worship Baphomet or other dark deities (dark is NOT the same thing as evil) and use the upside-down pentagram/pentacle to denote their path.

The pentagram refers to the star alone. When it's encompassed by a circle, it's called a pentacle.

It's actually been used by Christians since their inception; it can symbolize the five wounds of Christ. It's also a symbol in traditional Chinese medicine.

Always thought TSCC should have a Smith-Young "Keys to Marriages" Memorial Piano. Each wife would get her own key.

33 + 55.

tenaciousd Wrote:
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> Always thought TSCC should have a Smith-Young
> "Keys to Marriages" Memorial Piano. Each wife
> would get her own key.
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> 33 + 55.

Wow, never thought of that. You're clever!

I saw the pentagram above the entrance. The LDS folks were all supersweet. Gracious beyond measure & eager to please.

Two smiling RS-type women poured at the banquet table. My Jewish friend and I asked one of them where the coffee was. She burst out laughing and loudly proclaimed "I wouldn't even know how to MAKE it!" Stereotype is still alive and well in mormondumb.

Amazingly, the museum director employs a lesbian who also plays roller derby. She gave a short talk in their small auditorium and didn't swear or talk about her sexuality, but it was obvious she wanted to - she kept eyeing her boss and teasing us with sort of "fringe" comments. Times are changing at least a bit.

Their museum hasn't changed much since I visited 25 years ago. They're planning a major update and changes in "everything" (as they put it" for 2014.

Seriously. Drop the pentagram stuff. It betrays you as if Pentecostal ignorant and detracts from other elements of what may include other valid points.

Anybody old enough to remember when the museum had real mummies on display? Scared the crap out of me as a kid.

I was there a few months ago; I enjoy history so I do like to see some of the artifacts, but it gives me a wierd sensation to go there now. I have ancestors who joined the Church in 1830, and thinking of how much my family down through the generations sacrificed for a bunch of hogwash, leaves me very sad.

This time I was taken with the J.S. death mask and how little it looks like the handsome renderings the Church uses in it's materials today.