| Subject: | Hinckley to the Mormon faithful at Manhattan Temple dedication: "We've brought Zion to Babylon" |
| Date: | Jun 14 11:17 2004 |
| Author: | PtLoma |
| See for yourselves: http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Jun/06142004/utah/175262.asp or http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595070251,00.html excerpt: "We've brought Zion to Babylon,"
President Gordon B. Hinckley of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints told several hundred church members. "Zion" is a
biblical term often used by LDS leaders to refer to "the pure in
heart."... Longtime resident Brent Belnap, president of the
Manhattan LDS Stake who chaired the temple committee for two years,
brushed aside tears of joy following the service. In a voice choked with
emotion, he said Sunday was "the greatest day ever for the city of
New York . . . I can't think of anywhere that needs a place of peace and
of refuge and of repentance more than New York City. This temple is a
blessing."... |
| Subject: | 174 years of arrogance |
| Date: | Jun 14 11:25 |
| Author: | Lost no more |
| That attitude certainly hasn't changed with the
times. Isn't this one of the traits of a cult - believing they have the
one and only truth to save the world? Lost no more |
| Subject: | Re: Hinckley to faithful at Manhattan Temple dedication: "We've brought Zion to Babylon" |
| Date: | Jun 14 11:29 |
| Author: | DKA |
| That is infuriating! It makes me sick how arrogant and self-righteous Mormons can be. NYC was better off without them and their tacky temple. |
| Subject: | Re: Hinckley to faithful at Manhattan Temple dedication: "We've brought Zion to Babylon" |
| Date: | Jun 14 11:32 |
| Author: | LOL |
| Just tell that BS to one of the many Orthodox Jews in the city and see them give the Mormons the spiritual middle finger. |
| Subject: | This is incredible! |
| Date: | Jun 14 11:32 |
| Author: | Judas!!! |
| I cannot believe that he said this. It is astonishing how arrogant people can be. I bet the church P.R. department is panicked. |
| Subject: | I've been out way too long. Do they |
| Date: | Jun 14 11:47 |
| Author: | Jan |
| always where white like that? They look like orderlies from a sanatorium in a B movie. |
| Subject: | Re: I've been out way too long. Do they |
| Date: | Jun 14 12:01 |
| Author: | LoL |
| You might say the inmates are running the asylum. Everybody in the morg has imaginary titles, positions and powers - a bit psychotifc,wouldn't you say? |
| Subject: | My jaw just dropped to the floor. |
| Date: | Jun 14 12:07 |
| Author: | activejackmormon |
| The Hinckster must be losing it. Calling New York
Babylon is the height of arrogance. Particularly after 9-11, we as
Americans reaffirmed our love of that great city that has such an
amazing history and continues to be THE major economic hub of the world
economy. Get out the banjos and Jew's harps because Hinckley is an embarrassment to my home state. |
| Subject: | Great Point! NYC is just fine without the Mormons. |
| Date: | Jun 14 18:39 |
| Author: | Bye Bye Morgie |
| It's arrogant as hell. They buy some space in a building and redecorate it. They dedicate it as a temple and now think this really makes a difference. What fools. |
| Subject: | Re: Hinckley to faithful at Manhattan Temple dedication: "We've brought Zion to Babylon" |
| Date: | Jun 14 12:12 |
| Author: | Anon |
| I wonder what GBH thinks makes New York more Babylonian than any other city? The Money? Mormons never shied away from that. |
| Subject: | Although Hinckley was undoubtedly dissin' NYC with his comment |
| Date: | Jun 14 12:42 |
| Author: | Low Key |
| It was an ironic comment that actually is highly
complimentary to NYC. In the real world - as opposed to the morgbot
world or the world of the xtian who believes in the historicity of the
bible - Babylon was an AMAZING city. Home to one of the seven wonders of
the ancient world. Home to amazing leaps made by humans in language and
science and government and city building and . . . civilization. In the
real world, a city being compared to Babylon is an immense compliment. And NYC is home to some very educated people, unlike Utah, so I think actual New Yorkers might be more likely to laugh at the ignorant hick from Utah, rather than be offended by his goofy remark. And for Pt. Loma - you use the words atheism, sex and drug use like 1) they are intertwined and 2) they are bad. Shame on you. ;-) |
| Subject: | Didn't he mean Babylon, Long Island? (language) |
| Date: | Jun 14 13:13 |
| Author: | New Yorker |
| So what if an old man in a white jumpsuit who leads
others to believe he speaks to God refers to Manhattan as Babylon? Most
fellow New Yorkers I know, if they even bother to give the Mormons a
second thought, would expect nothing less. Big f*cking deal. It is also entirely possible that the 93 year old from Utah might actually confuse the Upper West Side with the Long Island suburb named Babylon. It is where a lot of us transfer trains on the Long Island Rail Road when going to Fire Island on nice summer weekends. As for the excitement and wonderment at the ability for the Mormons to remodel their worship facility, who cares? This whole Mormon temple celebration has been such a non-event in the New York press. Reading the Deseret News articles however online about New York church membership and the Manhattan temple is reminiscent of war accounts given by Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, Iraqi Minister of Information last year. Instead of a billboard in Times Square, in a few months they will have a floodlit golden trumpet player, that many may likely confuse as some tribute to the New York Philharmonic playing across the street. Perhaps Salt Lake hopes having a temple here will keep their delusional tithe payers off New York's Babylonian streets. PS - Glad you enjoyed your stay here PtLoma! |
| Subject: | Re: Hinckley to faithful at Manhattan Temple dedication: "We've brought Zion to Babylon" |
| Date: | Jun 14 13:19 |
| Author: | anon |
| It is soooooo typically arrogant of TBMs to judge
other people negatively like this, without even knowing them as
individuals, and to paint everything in such broad brushstrokes. Morgbots are all so stupid and vain. They and their so-called church are just contemptible. |
| Subject: | Let's not forget what the D&C says about New York City! |
| Date: | Jun 14 13:36 |
| Author: | Deconstructor |
| Hinckley's just following a Mormon tradition of
bashing New York City. Here's a threat supposedly from the Lord Himself
in Doctrine and Covenants: "Nevertheless, let the bishop go unto the city of New York, also to the city of Albany, and also to the city of Boston, and warn the people of those cities with the sound of the gospel, with a loud voice, of the desolation and utter abolishment which await them if they do reject these things (Mormonism)." - D&C 84:114 Interesting how Mormon leaders threatened New York City with "desolation and utter abolishment" long before Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaida. See more Mormon Terrorist Scriptures here: http://www.i4m.com/think/lists/mormon_terrorism.htm |
| Subject: | "Brent Belnap, president of the Manhattan LDS Stake who chaired the temple committee said Sunday was "the greatest day ever for the city of New York . . ." uh no. .. |
| Date: | Jun 14 17:14 |
| Author: | et in Utah ego |
| honestly, if I hadn't read about this crap on the RFM board, I wouldn't have had any idea it was happening and I live in Brooklyn. Its a big nothing to everybody here. |
| Subject: | I have no doubt |
| Date: | Jun 14 17:18 |
| Author: | Kyle |
| that the event is a big fat zero there. Hell, a temple dedication was a big fat zero in every city outside of the corridor. But.. I still think Hinckley's comments were out of line and in the spirit of negative PR should be used against the church. Never mind that I doubt anyone in Manhattan gives a hoot, negative PR is negative PR. |
| Subject: | I don't disagree at all...these kind of remarks are the height of arrogance...something hardly befitting a so-called "humble man of god..." |
| Subject: | What a jerk!! An insult to all New Yorkers & Americans |
| Date: | Jun 14 17:30 |
| Author: | StMatthew |
| First of all..people are not driving up and down
Broadway in Manhattan screaming and cursing. That neighborhood has an
average one bedroom rental going for $2500.00 per month. Condos sell in
high rises for over one million dollars for a one bedroom unit. What an arrogant and insulting statement calling New York City a Babylon. Does this idiot, GBH, remember September 11? The New York Times Sunday edition never even mentioned the temple dedication nor did the Saturday edition. New Yorker's have other things on their minds other than a cult building being opened for bizarre rituals. GBH's statement is also an insult to mainstream churches in New York. Hundreds of Episcopal and Roman Catholic Churches are everywhere operating soup kitchens and shelters for the homeless and the abused. This guy is completely out of touch with the real world. I am so glad I am out of this #@$%$#! Cult!! |
| Subject: | Sorry I'm still stuck on Brother Belnap's "Sunday was the greatest day ever for the city of New York" remarks... |
| Date: | Jun 14 18:11 |
| Author: | et in Utah ego |
| Now that I think about it again it really irks me. NYC is a global capital which houses schools, museums, libraries and other cultural institutions of world-historic importance. It's so telling that Mormons can't even get their mind around the fact that there are plenty of other standards of merit besides their own petty and mediocre ones. |
| Subject: | Re: Sorry I'm still stuck on Brother Belnap's "Sunday was the greatest day ever for the city of New York" remarks... |
| Date: | Jun 14 19:18 |
| Author: | et in Utah superego |
| To be fair, though, if Mormon claims are true (which
I realize is simply too preposterous for words), then the dedication of
a temple in New York City might WELL be the most important thing that's
ever happened there, and their standards, being those of God and the
cosmos rather than merely of Wall Street and Broadway, wouldn't be
"petty and mediocre." It's all rational, if you buy into the basic assumption. (Please don't hit me.) |
| Subject: | Sure New York City is Babylon |
| Date: | Jun 14 18:12 |
| Author: | Asimov |
| Why, did you see just how tall the World Trade Center was before religious zealots knocked it down? We know from the Old Testament that God hates tall buildings, because He's afraid that ancient Mesopotamians are capable of building a Tower so tall that it would reach heaven. If a Babylonian ziggurat (er, I mean "Tower of Babel") was such a concern, imagine just how threatening steel and concrete must be! |
| Subject: | Hinckley Just Continues To Show The World What an Idiot He Really Is |
| Date: | Jun 14 18:30 |
| Author: | Bye Bye Morgie |
| I served a two year mission in New York City. I served in The Bronx, Harlem, and on Staten Island. Most of my mission was spent in crappy, high crime areas. The NYC temple is on the upper west side of Manhattan, which is a good neighborhood. If Hinckley really wanted a temple built in Babylon, I suggest the red light district of Bangkok or Amsterdam. |
| Subject: | It's on Columbus AVENUE, not Street, but then, the Mormons were never known for accurate interpretation of earthly signs. Or perhaps Moroni was new in town.... |
| Subject: | Re: Hinckley to faithful at Manhattan Temple dedication: "We've brought Zion to Babylon" |
| Date: | Jun 14 19:34 |
| Author: | wisedup |
| The church is always claiming how bad everything is. All you hear is the world is evil - the sky is falling. Negativity to the max. Old bastards with nothing better to do with their time!!!!.. |
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