Why did Joseph Smith marry women who were already married to mormon men?

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  • user warning: Table './exmo_08072012/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>plig Feb. 2013</p>\n<p>Why did he marry 11 women who were already married to Mormon men? He married many of these women after sending their husbands on Mormon missions.</p>\n<hr />\nRagnar<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nBecause he was horney,\n<p>and as many as he could.</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://www2.ldsfreedom.org/?q=node/7\" title=\"http://www2.ldsfreedom.org/?q=node/7\">http://www2.ldsfreedom.org/?q=node/7</a></p>\n<hr />\n<p>slimchance<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nHe didn\'t have to worry about providing for children if the women lived with other men.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>facsimile3<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\n<a href=\"http://www.mormoninfographics.com/2012/09/the-many-wives-of-joseph-smith.html\" title=\"http://www.mormoninfographics.com/2012/09/the-many-wives-of-joseph-smith.html\">http://www.mormoninfographics.com/2012/09/the-many-wives-of-joseph-smith...</a></p>\n<p>Looks like the number was 11.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>summer<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nThere were at least eleven of them. The custom is called polyandry. As for why...I think he did it because he could. It gave him a wider access to sexual partners.</p>\n<p>Later Brigham Young stated that women did it because it gave them husbands who had more authority in the power structure of the church, and also because the women \"would be in a higher glory.\"</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/\" title=\"http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/\">http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/</a></p>\n<hr />\n<p>mckay<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nEveryone should read the account of Joe Smith and Zina Huntington Jacob, and her husband Henry Jacob. That is the saddest story of polygamy that I know of. Funny thing is I\'ve just been rereading that history the last couple of days.</p>\n<p>The best account I\'ve read is in \"Nauvoo Polygamy\" by George D Smith.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>plig<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nI think the fact he married women who were already married to a mormon temple worthy card carrying priesthood holder.. should be a huge red flag to those tbms that think he just married them in spirit. Just another way to get laid IMO.<br />\nAnyone know how many were already LDS married?</p>\n<hr />\nozpoof<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nThey were all marrying each other to get laid. Only the rank and file members had to obey the laws of chastity and the land. After polygamy was supposedly banned by LDS Inc, the leaders continued to practice it.\n<hr />\nrhgc<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\n1. At the time of his death, JS was apparently still facing an active prosecution for adultery.<br />\n2. JS was a horny....<br />\n3. Taking another man\'s wife was a test of the other man\'s loyalty to JS and his absolute obedience to the master con. JS also required one of his lieutenants to give him his 14 year old daughter!<br />\n4. The infamous false story about the cream skimming actually was a matter of JS testing one of his followers against another to see who blinked. This is the sort of thing common with dictators and, like Lenin, Stalin and others, JS put on phony trials and \"excommunicated\" those were questioned his authority. Perhaps even worse, certain people disappeared.<br />\n5. The repeating of the cream skimming story is just one more thing against Monson who repeated it in general conference while being the \"prophet\". Anyone reading this is more a prophet than Monson.\n<hr />\n<p>nancy rigdon<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nA TBM guy I know once asked me, \'If the church is a fraud, then why did Joseph Smith send Orson Hyde on a mission to Israel? That would have been a huge waste of time and money for a fraud.\"</p>\n<p>I said, \"Not if Joseph Smith wanted to marry Hyde\'s wife, Miranda while Hyde was off on a mission out of the country. Look it up.\"</p>\n<p>This begs another question: IF ORSON HYDE WAS WORTHY ENOUGH TO SERVE A MISSION IN ISRAEL, WHY WASN\'T HE WORTHY ENOUGH TO MARRY HIS OWN WIFE FOR ETERNITY?</p>\n<hr />\nplig<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nnancy rigdon Wrote:<br />\n-------------------------------------------------------<br />\n&gt; WHY<br />\n&gt; WASN\'T HE WORTHY ENOUGH TO MARRY HIS OWN WIFE FOR<br />\n&gt; ETERNITY?\n<p>Exactly...</p>\n<p>So tell me did he Marry Orson Hydes wife for just test Orson on his allegiance and obedience ?</p>\n<p>I swear that most tbms do not know anything about JS marrying women who already were married to \"worthy\" ( I hate that F*cking word)Priesthood holders. This should be a big deal to any card carrying tbm.<br />\nGod ( if there is one) does not work this way.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>nancy rigdon<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nWhen you look at the standard excuses TBMs give for polygamy, they are easily debunked.</p>\n<p>1. The women didn\'t have worthy husbands. (Orson Hyde example. Worthy for mission, but not eternal marriage?)<br />\n2. Related to #1. JS had a few wives that were married for eternity a SECOND time to Brigham Young. If those women were already sealed to Joseph and had entry into the celestial kindgom via Joseph, then why did they need to have a second celestial marriage to Brigham after Joseph died?<br />\n3. Younger women needed a man to take care of them. (Helen Mar Kimball 14 years old &amp; living with her parents. Why would she need Joseph to take care of her while she was living with her parents?)<br />\n4. There were more women than men then. (Not according to the census, but let\'s just say that is true. Why couldn\'t the men help take care of the single, orphaned or widowed women WITHOUT marrying them?)</p>\n<hr />\nwantthetruth<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nHe was a sexual preditor and opportunist. He was known to perpetuate his own opportunities to do so by making his move on his victims by sending their husbands on missions first.\n<p>He was very stealthy and an obvious example of what can happen when an individual begins to acquire absolute power.</p>\n<hr />\nkimball<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nJoseph Smith had the power to give wives to whomever he wished:\n<p>\"I reveal it unto you, my servant Joseph, then shall you have power, by the power of my Holy Priesthood, to take her and give her unto him that hath not committed adultery but hath been faithful; for he shall be made ruler over many.\" -D&amp;C 132:44</p>\n<p>Emma was put rightly in her place:</p>\n<p>\"And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph... And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.\" - D&amp;C 132:52&amp;54</p>\n<p>But Emma\'s permission was required for Joseph\'s wives:</p>\n<p>\"And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent...\" - D&amp;C 132:61</p>\n<p>Which she gave:</p>\n<p>\"I must submit or be destroyed. Well, I guess I have to submit.\" -Salt Lake Daily Tribune (July 31, 1887).</p>\n<p>But Joseph was still only allowed to take virgins who weren\'t married to anyone else:</p>\n<p>\"...and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.\" -D&amp;C 132:61</p>\n<p>Dire consequences would come upon any woman who married two men:</p>\n<p>\"But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed;\" - D&amp;C 132:63</p>\n<p>And don\'t forget to make sure that the first wife gives her consent:</p>\n<p>\"And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law. Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.\" -D&amp;C 132:64-65</p>\n<p>And, just so we\'re clear, we have a clear definition for how God gives men a commandment to take other wives:</p>\n<p>\"if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another... he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him\". - D&amp;C 132:61</p>\n<hr />\n<p>kimball<br />\nI love it, Nancy<br />\nAnd let\'s not forget, Marinda Hyde gave birth to her son Frank Henry 9 months and 3 weeks after Orson left on a mission to Washington, and DNA testing for him has not been completed.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>Chicken N. Backpacks<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\n\"I reveal it unto you, my servant Joseph, then shall you have power, by the power of my Holy Priesthood, to take her and give her unto him that hath not committed adultery but hath been faithful; for he shall be made ruler over many.\" -D&amp;C 132:44</p>\n<p>That\'s \"free agency\" (for JS) right there!</p>\n<hr />\n<p>nickname<br />\nWhy?<br />\nI don\'t know. Have you ever met a lovely lady, and then noticed the ring on her finger? Too bad, she\'s already taken, right? For JS, that was not a problem!</p>\n<hr />\ndogeatdog<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nAny link for the first one? Or can you put it on here if it\'s in a book.. (that may be asking a lot)?\n<hr />\nThe Man in Black<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nMarried women were probably quite convenient in 1838. If an already married woman in this time were to become pregnant there would be fewer pesky questions to answer.\n<hr />\n<p>OnceWasblind<br />\nRe: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?<br />\nBecause he was a horny pig!! :( I still can\'t understand how my family can go to church and bear their testimony on this con artist!! :(</p>\n<hr />\nnancy rigdon<br />\nRe: I love it, Nancy<br />\nYou reminded me of something else. The scriptures say the purpose of polygamy was \"to raise up seed unto the lord.\" Ok. So where is Joseph\'s seed from these marriages?\n<p>The apologists love to say that these were platonic marriages, but if that\'s true, then Joseph acted contrary to scripture.</p>\n<p>OTOH, if there was seed as you suggest in Miranda\'s case, then it just adds more credence to the critic\'s argument that Joseph was using a religious narrative to have sex with multiple women.</p>\n<p>\"Recovery from Mormonism - www.exmormon.org\"</p>\n', created = 1417009306, expire = 1417095706, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:71f3c2211d70ba1e330fbec02759be1c' in /home/exmormon/public_html/d6/drupal/includes/cache.inc on line 112.

plig Feb. 2013

Why did he marry 11 women who were already married to Mormon men? He married many of these women after sending their husbands on Mormon missions.


Ragnar
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
Because he was horney,

and as many as he could.

http://www2.ldsfreedom.org/?q=node/7


slimchance
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
He didn't have to worry about providing for children if the women lived with other men.


facsimile3
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
http://www.mormoninfographics.com/2012/09/the-many-wives-of-joseph-smith...

Looks like the number was 11.


summer
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
There were at least eleven of them. The custom is called polyandry. As for why...I think he did it because he could. It gave him a wider access to sexual partners.

Later Brigham Young stated that women did it because it gave them husbands who had more authority in the power structure of the church, and also because the women "would be in a higher glory."

http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/


mckay
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
Everyone should read the account of Joe Smith and Zina Huntington Jacob, and her husband Henry Jacob. That is the saddest story of polygamy that I know of. Funny thing is I've just been rereading that history the last couple of days.

The best account I've read is in "Nauvoo Polygamy" by George D Smith.


plig
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
I think the fact he married women who were already married to a mormon temple worthy card carrying priesthood holder.. should be a huge red flag to those tbms that think he just married them in spirit. Just another way to get laid IMO.
Anyone know how many were already LDS married?


ozpoof
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
They were all marrying each other to get laid. Only the rank and file members had to obey the laws of chastity and the land. After polygamy was supposedly banned by LDS Inc, the leaders continued to practice it.
rhgc
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
1. At the time of his death, JS was apparently still facing an active prosecution for adultery.
2. JS was a horny....
3. Taking another man's wife was a test of the other man's loyalty to JS and his absolute obedience to the master con. JS also required one of his lieutenants to give him his 14 year old daughter!
4. The infamous false story about the cream skimming actually was a matter of JS testing one of his followers against another to see who blinked. This is the sort of thing common with dictators and, like Lenin, Stalin and others, JS put on phony trials and "excommunicated" those were questioned his authority. Perhaps even worse, certain people disappeared.
5. The repeating of the cream skimming story is just one more thing against Monson who repeated it in general conference while being the "prophet". Anyone reading this is more a prophet than Monson.

nancy rigdon
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
A TBM guy I know once asked me, 'If the church is a fraud, then why did Joseph Smith send Orson Hyde on a mission to Israel? That would have been a huge waste of time and money for a fraud."

I said, "Not if Joseph Smith wanted to marry Hyde's wife, Miranda while Hyde was off on a mission out of the country. Look it up."

This begs another question: IF ORSON HYDE WAS WORTHY ENOUGH TO SERVE A MISSION IN ISRAEL, WHY WASN'T HE WORTHY ENOUGH TO MARRY HIS OWN WIFE FOR ETERNITY?


plig
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
nancy rigdon Wrote:
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> WHY
> WASN'T HE WORTHY ENOUGH TO MARRY HIS OWN WIFE FOR
> ETERNITY?

Exactly...

So tell me did he Marry Orson Hydes wife for just test Orson on his allegiance and obedience ?

I swear that most tbms do not know anything about JS marrying women who already were married to "worthy" ( I hate that F*cking word)Priesthood holders. This should be a big deal to any card carrying tbm.
God ( if there is one) does not work this way.


nancy rigdon
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
When you look at the standard excuses TBMs give for polygamy, they are easily debunked.

1. The women didn't have worthy husbands. (Orson Hyde example. Worthy for mission, but not eternal marriage?)
2. Related to #1. JS had a few wives that were married for eternity a SECOND time to Brigham Young. If those women were already sealed to Joseph and had entry into the celestial kindgom via Joseph, then why did they need to have a second celestial marriage to Brigham after Joseph died?
3. Younger women needed a man to take care of them. (Helen Mar Kimball 14 years old & living with her parents. Why would she need Joseph to take care of her while she was living with her parents?)
4. There were more women than men then. (Not according to the census, but let's just say that is true. Why couldn't the men help take care of the single, orphaned or widowed women WITHOUT marrying them?)


wantthetruth
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
He was a sexual preditor and opportunist. He was known to perpetuate his own opportunities to do so by making his move on his victims by sending their husbands on missions first.

He was very stealthy and an obvious example of what can happen when an individual begins to acquire absolute power.


kimball
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
Joseph Smith had the power to give wives to whomever he wished:

"I reveal it unto you, my servant Joseph, then shall you have power, by the power of my Holy Priesthood, to take her and give her unto him that hath not committed adultery but hath been faithful; for he shall be made ruler over many." -D&C 132:44

Emma was put rightly in her place:

"And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph... And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law." - D&C 132:52&54

But Emma's permission was required for Joseph's wives:

"And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent..." - D&C 132:61

Which she gave:

"I must submit or be destroyed. Well, I guess I have to submit." -Salt Lake Daily Tribune (July 31, 1887).

But Joseph was still only allowed to take virgins who weren't married to anyone else:

"...and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else." -D&C 132:61

Dire consequences would come upon any woman who married two men:

"But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed;" - D&C 132:63

And don't forget to make sure that the first wife gives her consent:

"And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law. Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife." -D&C 132:64-65

And, just so we're clear, we have a clear definition for how God gives men a commandment to take other wives:

"if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another... he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him". - D&C 132:61


kimball
I love it, Nancy
And let's not forget, Marinda Hyde gave birth to her son Frank Henry 9 months and 3 weeks after Orson left on a mission to Washington, and DNA testing for him has not been completed.


Chicken N. Backpacks
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
"I reveal it unto you, my servant Joseph, then shall you have power, by the power of my Holy Priesthood, to take her and give her unto him that hath not committed adultery but hath been faithful; for he shall be made ruler over many." -D&C 132:44

That's "free agency" (for JS) right there!


nickname
Why?
I don't know. Have you ever met a lovely lady, and then noticed the ring on her finger? Too bad, she's already taken, right? For JS, that was not a problem!


dogeatdog
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
Any link for the first one? Or can you put it on here if it's in a book.. (that may be asking a lot)?
The Man in Black
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
Married women were probably quite convenient in 1838. If an already married woman in this time were to become pregnant there would be fewer pesky questions to answer.

OnceWasblind
Re: why did JSmith marry women who were already married to mormon men?
Because he was a horny pig!! :( I still can't understand how my family can go to church and bear their testimony on this con artist!! :(


nancy rigdon
Re: I love it, Nancy
You reminded me of something else. The scriptures say the purpose of polygamy was "to raise up seed unto the lord." Ok. So where is Joseph's seed from these marriages?

The apologists love to say that these were platonic marriages, but if that's true, then Joseph acted contrary to scripture.

OTOH, if there was seed as you suggest in Miranda's case, then it just adds more credence to the critic's argument that Joseph was using a religious narrative to have sex with multiple women.

"Recovery from Mormonism - www.exmormon.org"