Pres Uchtdorf's General Conference Talk - SLC is not going to help you Nov. 2011

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It seems as the world sinks deeper into recession, the Church\'s response is to increase the responsibility of its members to help each other out.</p>\n<p>Question: How in the world will a TBM ever be able to retire (virtually all or more than all of their disposable income is given to the Church)?</p>\n<p>Lucky<br />\nRe: Pres Uchtdorf\'s GC Talk: SLC is not going to help</p>\n<p>yah well guess what! when LDS Inc has a need it wants MONEY and it wants it right DAMN NOW!</p>\n<p>when Members have a need they need to exercise faith and wait until the need goes away, if that means dying thats just too bad. the only reason LDS INC is sad is because dead ppl dont pay offerings very well, but that kind of fading person was already headed down that terminally non productive road when they had to ask THE church for something return any way.<br />\nAt that point all LDS Inc really wants to know is if the person is going to have some real estate to donate to LDS INC when they finally drop dead. If they recover then great, give all the credit to MORmON Jesus and fork out some more offering money to LDS Inc.</p>\n<p>sharing! MORmON STYLE!<br />\n<a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJQqLKIR2Xk\" title=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJQqLKIR2Xk\">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJQqLKIR2Xk</a></p>\n<p>did you have a sense of urgency?<br />\nwell it doesnt mean much if its *only* personal concerns<br />\nLDS INC has tons of dead ppl to save, you know !</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzMMCA3mmGk\" title=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzMMCA3mmGk\">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzMMCA3mmGk</a></p>\n<p>Leah<br />\nRe: Pres Uchtdorf\'s GC Talk: SLC is not going to help</p>\n<p>Uchtdorf would never have been able to become a pilot and advance in his career had he not benefited from the free education system in postwar West Germany.</p>\n<p>It goes without saying that his parents also received socialized healthcare and housing aid after fleeing to the West.</p>\n<p>Always quite amusing to see people like him turn around and deny the same privileges to others.</p>\n<p>Ditto for top morg leaders. Apparently they feel that tithes are for funding their pet projects and their own \"stipends\" - but not for helping church members.</p>\n<p>anbody<br />\n\"As soon as the coins in the coffer ring, the soul from Purgatory springs\"</p>\n<p>Greed created the LDS Church. It would be so ironic if greed finally destroyed it.</p>\n<p>axeldc<br />\nBut SLC takes all their money!</p>\n<p>This would work if the ratio of local money to SLC money were flipped. SLC should only get a small commission, instead they take the entire wad and then dribble some back.</p>\n<p>If SLC can\'t help, what are they doing with all the money?</p>\n<p>axeldc<br />\nNo man is an island</p>\n<p>And no man is self-made. If you can read, walk on a sidewalk, send an email, or fly on a plane, it\'s because of tax dollars put to good use.</p>\n<p>Stray Mutt<br />\nIn a way, ChurchCo is like Robin Hood.</p>\n<p>The reason all the tithes go to HQ and only a small portion of it goes back to the wards is that 1st world members are subsidizing 3rd world members. Americans (for example) pay for Guatemalan chapels. And there are all the administrative costs. Gotta maintain the kingdom/corporation or else the Everlasting Gospel will disappear.</p>\n<p>anagrammy<br />\nRe: But SLC takes all their money!</p>\n<p>The LDS church is done in America, but the GAs can still live like kings on what they rake in from undereducated, superstitious millions in third world countries.</p>\n<p>Even if the retention rate is terrible, it works. They join thinking they will learn English and the quality of their lives will improve. Then they discover that the LDS want one of their ten beans for dinner AND there is no help to get clean water and schools going... but by then the church will have gotten some of their money from Golden Contacts.</p>\n<p>It\'s obvious what they are doing with the money. They are corporate raiders and they have several huge PR companies to pay, along with airtime in major cities and internet ads...Those I am a Mormon ads aren\'t free and neither are advertising agencies. Also, they regularly settle child abuse and molestation lawsuits, theft, assault, etc. on the courthouse steps as anyone in Salt Lake legal community will tell you. Those plaintiffs and their gag orders ain\'t cheap.</p>\n<p>And imagine the money laundering bribes they have to pay. Lordie! We all know bribe money comes from their \"businesses\" right? And where do the businesses comes from? Some of their businesses help other businesses. And where do those businesses get their money?</p>\n<p>And if your child needs a life-saving operation? Contact your local charities or the community at large (but don\'t let on that you are Mormon, now you wouldn\'t want to embarrass the Church and lose the blessings you worked so hard to get, would you?)</p>\n<p>From the same ward titty that everybody is feeding off. Keep those tithes and offerings coming in!</p>\n<p>When you are old and exhausted, keep working as an \"adviser\" on your own nickel in a foreign country (tithing isn\'t enough by this time because you might actually have an estate). Then please--have the decency to leave your assets to the church. Your children can go to their siblings for help. If they are starving, they can wait for someone to appear at the door with a half-gallon of milk. We know that happens when people have paid their tithing, don\'t we?</p>\n<p>Anagrammy</p>\n<p>sexismyreligion<br />\nRe: In a way, ChurchCo is like Robin Hood.</p>\n<p>Stray Mutt Wrote:<br />\n-------------------------------------------------------</p>\n<p>I don\'t think that\'s the real reason all the tithes go to HQ, but that is what the Church claims, so if we pretend that is the case - why are they spending the money on CHAPELS in Guatemala instead of actually feeding people who are starving? The member in a third-world country goes to the Church asking for food for their family, and is denied any assistance because there isn\'t any money in the fast offering fund. And why is there no money in the fast offering fund? Because fast offering donations from the US can only be used to feed the people in the local ward. Fast offerings are NOT sent back to HQ and redistributed. But those starving people in third-world countries should be grateful that we subsidized their chapel.</p>\n<p>summer<br />\nRe: In a way, ChurchCo is like Robin Hood.</p>\n<p>Stray Mutt Wrote:<br />\n-------------------------------------------------------<br />\n&gt; And there are all the administrative costs. Gotta maintain the kingdom/corporation or else the Everlasting Gospel will disappear.</p>\n<p>It still doesn\'t add up, though. From what ward clerks have posted here, local wards only get about 5% of their tithing money returned to them for activities. That means that 95% or better of donated funds go to SLC. Even if the Mormon church is paying for maintenance on the chapels, that still leaves lots of money unaccounted for. Other Christian churches might send about 10% or so of their donated funds to headquarters for administrative fees. All of the rest of their money stays local, and a lot of that money pays the salaries for church staff.</p>\n<p>The COB is one big money pit.</p>\n<p>scarecrowfromoz<br />\nRe: In a way, ChurchCo is like Robin Hood.</p>\n<p>Yes, you already have a difference of 5% in that most national churches send around 10% to the national organization, and everything else stays at the local level.</p>\n<p>Most churches spend *roughly* 30-50% on salaries. I just looked at the budget for a church in the SLC area, and they have about 47% going to salaries. Maintenance/utilities/insurance/mortgage is about 25%.</p>\n<p>So, SLC between the 5% difference that they take as compared to \"regular\" churches, plus salaries, they are taking in *roughly* 50% more than a \"regular\" church. Figure in that the Morg DEMANDS 10%, while \"regular\" churches are happy to get 2-3%, and the above percentages become even more insightful.</p>\n<p>Until a significant percentage of the sheeple wake up and say \"no more tithing until the church opens their books\" and make it known to SLC that is WHY they are not giving one penny, the LDS Cult will continue to rob them.</p>\n<p>Socrates2<br />\nIt\'s a common misconception that tithing is used for welfare. It\'s not.</p>\n<p>Tithing goes to running the church, BYU, advertising, etc. Only your Fast Offerings are used for humanitarian aid and welfare.</p>\n<p>And FYI, Fast Offerings account for about 1/2 of 1% of total donations to the church. In other words, for every two dollars donated to the church one cent goes to welfare and humanitarian aid.</p>\n<p>sexismyreligion<br />\nRe: It\'s a common misconception that tithing is used for welfare. It\'s not.</p>\n<p>Socrates2 Wrote:</p>\n<p>And the humanitarian aid goes to help pay the mortgage of the guy in your ward who just lost his job. Which is a nice thing to help out with, but the truth is that even if he lost his house, his kids wouldn\'t starve. The Church humanitarian aid is more of an insurance policy that members pay into, not actually intended to help the impoverished people who desperately need it.</p>\n<p>nonmo<br />\nRe: Pres Uchtdorf\'s GC Talk: SLC is not going to help</p>\n<p>\"I came away after listening to his talk that for welfare needs members should not contact SLC (Church Headquarters), but rely upon each other. Members at the local level were to help each other out using their talents, assets, etc. for the benefit of each other.\"</p>\n<p>I thought if you were a strong, devout, temple-going, temple-endowed member that all those things you mentioned: talents, assets, etc...belonged to the church anyway....</p>\n<p>\"Recovery from Mormonism - www.exmormon.org\"</p>\n', created = 1432915933, expire = 1433002333, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:7f0f1cc8ce854332eeccec0dc86a273b' in /home/exmormon/public_html/d6/drupal/includes/cache.inc on line 112.

commonsense 4 Nov 2011

I came away after listening to his talk that for welfare needs members should not contact SLC (Church Headquarters), but rely upon each other. Members at the local level were to help each other out using their talents, assets, etc. for the benefit of each other. My question: why do members send 10% of their income to SLC if SLC will not help them out anyway? Another question: How are people living in abject poverty suppose to help each other get out of poverty without help from the outside?

My summary: Keep paying 10% of your income so we can continue to expand our businesses like the City Creek Development. Don't expect SLC to use a fraction of its billions to help you out. That money is for business purposes only. You are expected to expend additional income to help your fellow members out in your ward. It seems as the world sinks deeper into recession, the Church's response is to increase the responsibility of its members to help each other out.

Question: How in the world will a TBM ever be able to retire (virtually all or more than all of their disposable income is given to the Church)?

Lucky
Re: Pres Uchtdorf's GC Talk: SLC is not going to help

yah well guess what! when LDS Inc has a need it wants MONEY and it wants it right DAMN NOW!

when Members have a need they need to exercise faith and wait until the need goes away, if that means dying thats just too bad. the only reason LDS INC is sad is because dead ppl dont pay offerings very well, but that kind of fading person was already headed down that terminally non productive road when they had to ask THE church for something return any way.
At that point all LDS Inc really wants to know is if the person is going to have some real estate to donate to LDS INC when they finally drop dead. If they recover then great, give all the credit to MORmON Jesus and fork out some more offering money to LDS Inc.

sharing! MORmON STYLE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJQqLKIR2Xk

did you have a sense of urgency?
well it doesnt mean much if its *only* personal concerns
LDS INC has tons of dead ppl to save, you know !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzMMCA3mmGk

Leah
Re: Pres Uchtdorf's GC Talk: SLC is not going to help

Uchtdorf would never have been able to become a pilot and advance in his career had he not benefited from the free education system in postwar West Germany.

It goes without saying that his parents also received socialized healthcare and housing aid after fleeing to the West.

Always quite amusing to see people like him turn around and deny the same privileges to others.

Ditto for top morg leaders. Apparently they feel that tithes are for funding their pet projects and their own "stipends" - but not for helping church members.

anbody
"As soon as the coins in the coffer ring, the soul from Purgatory springs"

Greed created the LDS Church. It would be so ironic if greed finally destroyed it.

axeldc
But SLC takes all their money!

This would work if the ratio of local money to SLC money were flipped. SLC should only get a small commission, instead they take the entire wad and then dribble some back.

If SLC can't help, what are they doing with all the money?

axeldc
No man is an island

And no man is self-made. If you can read, walk on a sidewalk, send an email, or fly on a plane, it's because of tax dollars put to good use.

Stray Mutt
In a way, ChurchCo is like Robin Hood.

The reason all the tithes go to HQ and only a small portion of it goes back to the wards is that 1st world members are subsidizing 3rd world members. Americans (for example) pay for Guatemalan chapels. And there are all the administrative costs. Gotta maintain the kingdom/corporation or else the Everlasting Gospel will disappear.

anagrammy
Re: But SLC takes all their money!

The LDS church is done in America, but the GAs can still live like kings on what they rake in from undereducated, superstitious millions in third world countries.

Even if the retention rate is terrible, it works. They join thinking they will learn English and the quality of their lives will improve. Then they discover that the LDS want one of their ten beans for dinner AND there is no help to get clean water and schools going... but by then the church will have gotten some of their money from Golden Contacts.

It's obvious what they are doing with the money. They are corporate raiders and they have several huge PR companies to pay, along with airtime in major cities and internet ads...Those I am a Mormon ads aren't free and neither are advertising agencies. Also, they regularly settle child abuse and molestation lawsuits, theft, assault, etc. on the courthouse steps as anyone in Salt Lake legal community will tell you. Those plaintiffs and their gag orders ain't cheap.

And imagine the money laundering bribes they have to pay. Lordie! We all know bribe money comes from their "businesses" right? And where do the businesses comes from? Some of their businesses help other businesses. And where do those businesses get their money?

And if your child needs a life-saving operation? Contact your local charities or the community at large (but don't let on that you are Mormon, now you wouldn't want to embarrass the Church and lose the blessings you worked so hard to get, would you?)

From the same ward titty that everybody is feeding off. Keep those tithes and offerings coming in!

When you are old and exhausted, keep working as an "adviser" on your own nickel in a foreign country (tithing isn't enough by this time because you might actually have an estate). Then please--have the decency to leave your assets to the church. Your children can go to their siblings for help. If they are starving, they can wait for someone to appear at the door with a half-gallon of milk. We know that happens when people have paid their tithing, don't we?

Anagrammy

sexismyreligion
Re: In a way, ChurchCo is like Robin Hood.

Stray Mutt Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

I don't think that's the real reason all the tithes go to HQ, but that is what the Church claims, so if we pretend that is the case - why are they spending the money on CHAPELS in Guatemala instead of actually feeding people who are starving? The member in a third-world country goes to the Church asking for food for their family, and is denied any assistance because there isn't any money in the fast offering fund. And why is there no money in the fast offering fund? Because fast offering donations from the US can only be used to feed the people in the local ward. Fast offerings are NOT sent back to HQ and redistributed. But those starving people in third-world countries should be grateful that we subsidized their chapel.

summer
Re: In a way, ChurchCo is like Robin Hood.

Stray Mutt Wrote:
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> And there are all the administrative costs. Gotta maintain the kingdom/corporation or else the Everlasting Gospel will disappear.

It still doesn't add up, though. From what ward clerks have posted here, local wards only get about 5% of their tithing money returned to them for activities. That means that 95% or better of donated funds go to SLC. Even if the Mormon church is paying for maintenance on the chapels, that still leaves lots of money unaccounted for. Other Christian churches might send about 10% or so of their donated funds to headquarters for administrative fees. All of the rest of their money stays local, and a lot of that money pays the salaries for church staff.

The COB is one big money pit.

scarecrowfromoz
Re: In a way, ChurchCo is like Robin Hood.

Yes, you already have a difference of 5% in that most national churches send around 10% to the national organization, and everything else stays at the local level.

Most churches spend *roughly* 30-50% on salaries. I just looked at the budget for a church in the SLC area, and they have about 47% going to salaries. Maintenance/utilities/insurance/mortgage is about 25%.

So, SLC between the 5% difference that they take as compared to "regular" churches, plus salaries, they are taking in *roughly* 50% more than a "regular" church. Figure in that the Morg DEMANDS 10%, while "regular" churches are happy to get 2-3%, and the above percentages become even more insightful.

Until a significant percentage of the sheeple wake up and say "no more tithing until the church opens their books" and make it known to SLC that is WHY they are not giving one penny, the LDS Cult will continue to rob them.

Socrates2
It's a common misconception that tithing is used for welfare. It's not.

Tithing goes to running the church, BYU, advertising, etc. Only your Fast Offerings are used for humanitarian aid and welfare.

And FYI, Fast Offerings account for about 1/2 of 1% of total donations to the church. In other words, for every two dollars donated to the church one cent goes to welfare and humanitarian aid.

sexismyreligion
Re: It's a common misconception that tithing is used for welfare. It's not.

Socrates2 Wrote:

And the humanitarian aid goes to help pay the mortgage of the guy in your ward who just lost his job. Which is a nice thing to help out with, but the truth is that even if he lost his house, his kids wouldn't starve. The Church humanitarian aid is more of an insurance policy that members pay into, not actually intended to help the impoverished people who desperately need it.

nonmo
Re: Pres Uchtdorf's GC Talk: SLC is not going to help

"I came away after listening to his talk that for welfare needs members should not contact SLC (Church Headquarters), but rely upon each other. Members at the local level were to help each other out using their talents, assets, etc. for the benefit of each other."

I thought if you were a strong, devout, temple-going, temple-endowed member that all those things you mentioned: talents, assets, etc...belonged to the church anyway....

"Recovery from Mormonism - www.exmormon.org"