Mark Hofmann the Forgerer and Murderer with Mormon General Authorities

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How can anyone really trust an organization that buys documents which call into question the divine origins of the church for the sole purpose of keeping them from being published?</p>\n<p>Sit down, loosen that tight, secret garment neckwear and open your eyes.</p>\n<p>--THE PHOTO</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://www.utlm.org/images/newsletters/115/115cover_hofmannchurchleaders.gif\" title=\"http://www.utlm.org/images/newsletters/115/115cover_hofmannchurchleaders.gif\">http://www.utlm.org/images/newsletters/115/115cover_hofmannchurchleaders...</a><br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--The Identities of the Individuals in THE PHOTO</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51020099-76/hofmann-letter-board-parole.html.csp\" title=\"http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51020099-76/hofmann-letter-board-parole.html.csp\">http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51020099-76/hofmann-letter-board-parol...</a><br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--Photographs of the Article Announcing THE PHOTO, As They Appeared in the LDS-Owned \"Church News\"</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://www.utlm.org/images/tracking/trackingp73_a.jpg\" title=\"http://www.utlm.org/images/tracking/trackingp73_a.jpg\">http://www.utlm.org/images/tracking/trackingp73_a.jpg</a><br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--Close-Up of the Pages of the \"Church News\" article on THE PHOTO:</p>\n<p>*for an enlargment of the first page, scroll down and click on center-left image):</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingch6a.htm\" title=\"http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingch6a.htm\">http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingch6a.htm</a></p>\n<p>*for an enlargement of the second page, scroll down and click on center-right image:</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingch6a.htm\" title=\"http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingch6a.htm\">http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingch6a.htm</a><br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--The Background on THE PHOTO</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.utlm.org/images/tracking/trackingp73_a.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingch7.htm&amp;usg=__fsgJlUC-C669EzgCgRQy19_26Uk=&amp;h=1410&amp;w=1024&amp;sz=372&amp;hl=en&amp;start=53&amp;zoom=1&amp;tbnid=rRPREz423E2feM:&amp;tbnh=150&amp;tbnw=109&amp;ei=gCQiT-uHDYKN0QHc1_jqCA&amp;prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmark%2Bhofmann%2Bkimball%2Btanner%26start%3D42%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&amp;itbs=1\" title=\"http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.utlm.org/images/tracking/trackingp73_a.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingch7.htm&amp;usg=__fsgJlUC-C669EzgCgRQy19_26Uk=&amp;h=1410&amp;w=1024&amp;sz=372&amp;hl=en&amp;start=53&amp;zoom=1&amp;tbnid=rRPREz423E2feM:&amp;tbnh=150&amp;tbnw=109&amp;ei=gCQiT-uHDYKN0QHc1_jqCA&amp;prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmark%2Bhofmann%2Bkimball%2Btanner%26start%3D42%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&amp;itbs=1\">http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.utlm.org/images/tracking/...</a><br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--The Verdict on the Claims of Your Mormon Church as Proven by THE PHOTO</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/39/2010/10/thumbs_down1013.jpg\" title=\"http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/39/2010/10/thumbs_down1013.jpg\">http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/39/2010/10/thumbs_down1013.jpg</a></p>\n<hr />\n<p>onendagus<br />\nRe: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud<br />\nHow can anyone really trust an organization that buys documents which call into question the divine origins of the church for the sole purpose of keeping them from being published?</p>\n<p>Why is it that the spirit did not tell the Prophet about the forgery and blackmail attempt but the chief of \"anti-mormon lies\" Jerald Tanner could see it immediately?</p>\n<p>Yes someone lies but guess what? It isn\'t who you were told.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>Dave the Atheist<br />\nRe: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud<br />\nI like the way the so called \"prophet\" is looking through a magnifying glass as if he knows what he is looking for.<br />\nWhat a doofus !</p>\n<hr />\nRaider<br />\nRe: THE STUPID PART<br />\nFrom what was reported in the books about Hoffman, he had been trying to sell the McClellan collection, but hadn\'t produced it. He was under a lot of pressure since he\'d borrowed money on the promise that he had located it. But he couldn\'t produce it so he set off the bombs, killing two people as a cover up. What confused me was that to pull this off it seemed like he had to have been working on forging the collection in order to finally cash in on the scheme. Much later, I read on the Tanner\'s site that it turned out that the Collection was actually in the church\'s possession all the time. They have such sloppy procedures that they hadn\'t even known they had the collection in their vault when they arranged a signature loan for $100,00 to Hoffman on the promise of finding it.\n<p>So much for inspiration &amp; discernment! Sounds like taking inventory of the vault could have saved some lives</p>\n<hr />\nhello<br />\nRe: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud<br />\nyeah, that\'s pretty funny, DTA. He was clueless, and very stupid. Where\'s those heavenly priesthood keys when you need them?\n<hr />\n<p>reinventinggrace<br />\nRe: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud<br />\nHey, I didn\'t remember seeing BKKKP in that photo. I thought the whole cast was dead by now. Maybe if we all send real nice emails to his handlers they\'ll let him do an upcoming Conference talk of Hofmann.</p>\n<p>RG</p>\n<hr />\nCamara<br />\nRe: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud<br />\nThe prophet was peeking as a man.\n<hr />\ncl2<br />\nMy dad--never much of a TBM<br />\nbut close to the end of his life when I lost belief--this was the issue that constantly nagged at him. Every time this story came on A&amp;E, he would talk to me about it and how it disturbed him.\n<hr />\nimalive<br />\nRe: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud<br />\n+1\n<hr />\n<p>Stray Mutt<br />\nIf the brethren had a shred of HG-powered discernment...<br />\n...they would have at least sensed there was something not quite right with that Hofmann fellow. After all, they claim to be able to sense \"dark presences\" in the room. Hell, they even know (with 99% accuracy, lol) when young men are masturbating. But a lying, swindling apostate future murderer is right there in the room with them, looking over their shoulders, they get......nada. Maybe it was because Hofmann\'s bad vibes were drowned out by the constant background radiation of their own swindle-ness. And by their fear the document might be real.</p>\n<hr />\ninformer<br />\nI love that Hofmann keeps popping up in the news!<br />\nThe Mo\'s must hate it because every time it happens, somebody new gets to rub their collective squeaky-clean church face in their own poo-poo. LOL!\n<hr />\nCA girl<br />\nThe thing that stood out for me, Steve<br />\nWas the quote headlined in the second article referenced, about how Mark Hoffman felt power in deceiving people.\n<p>“As far back as I can remember I have liked to impress people through my deceptions,” Hofmann wrote in a January 1988 letter to the Utah Board of Pardons and Parole. “Fooling people gave me a sense of power and superiority. I believe this is what led to my forging activities.”</p>\n<p>I think as much as anything, this is the parallel between Joseph Smith and Mark Hoffman and a good insight into why Joseph did it. The Smith family was what probably today would be termed as \"white trash\". Lucy Smith obviously suffered from being looked down on by the people in Palmyra and one of Joseph Smith\'s complaints about how his \"revelations\" were received was that he was mocked. If you grow up with a chip on your shoulder like that, thinking everyone is looking down on you, being able to turn the tables and feel the power of fooling people, that sense of superiority - being smarter than everyone you led, was huge. Probably more than the money, it was the power over people that Joseph Smith got off on and made all he went through worth his time.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>informer<br />\n+1,000,000, CA girl!<br />\nThe parallel you\'ve drawn is very astute. For a long time I have also thought it must be that way. It also helps explain the persecution complex they alway toss in the roadway whenever someone goes after them with a legitimate criticism.</p>\n<hr />\nThe StalkerDog™<br />\nOh, BKKKP\'s there.<br />\nSecond from the right. His hands ain\'t too clean neither.\n<hr />\nI believed this once, years ago..<br />\nRe: The thing that stood out for me, Steve<br />\n+2,000,000 CA girl.\n<hr />\n<p>T-Bone<br />\nVery well said, CA girl<br />\nI think most of us have such a difficult time identifying with this mindset (getting a thrill out of deceiving people) because we are just normal people.</p>\n<p>Joe the horndog was a fraud. Hoffman was a fraud. Fear of damning information about the founding claims of Mormonism made these church leaders open the coffers and cough up cash for forged documents.</p>\n<p>I read a book called, \"The Mormon Murders\" years ago. It was about Mark Hoffman and how he forged these documents. Remember how there are some pages left blank at the back of a book? Well, he\'d cut them out and scribble something on them, then sell them. But since the forgeries were on old paper, they fooled a lot of people.</p>\n<hr />\nsteve benson<br />\nIt shows an unstable mind &amp; one perhaps bent on revenge for perceived slights or operating out of jealousy, combined with a lust for power. Narcissistic. You know, like Joe Smith.&nbsp;\n<hr />\n<p>Twinker<br />\nAnother book . . .<br />\nJerald Tanner\'s book, \"Tracking the White Salamander\" can be read on line.</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingcontents.htm\" title=\"http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingcontents.htm\">http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingcontents.htm</a></p>\n<p>Knowing more about the church\'s history than most believing Mormons, the Tanners suspected early on that the document was forged.</p>\n<p>enoughenoch19<br />\nRe: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud<br />\nIf you want to read more (besides Tracking the White Salamander) you can also read the Mormon Murders (fairly old) but informative for those who want to know more about it. Fairy cheap on Ebay.<br />\nJerald and Sandra Tanner are one of the best things that ever happened to SLC. Everything they do is based on facts and no mean nasty diatribes. That\'s why TSCC must really hate them.<br />\nJerald has passed on of course, but Sandra is still doing great things.</p>\n<hr />\nnonamekid<br />\nAh, but that was the problem!<br />\nSWK was using a magnifying glass. If he just would have had old Joe\'s seerstone rushed up from the vault, he would have known beyond a shadow of a doubt that the document was a forgery.\n<p>They just don\'t make prophets like they used to.</p>\n<hr />\nTwinker<br />\nAnd this . . . .<br />\nSalamander: The Story of the Mormon Forgery Murders by Linda Sillitoe.\n<hr />\nclairefergie<br />\nRe: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud<br />\nHoffman was a huge influencing factor in me figuring out the church was false. I simply cannot understand how a member of the church can still believe in the leadership of the church after this. This leaves feelings behind, the hard facts are irrefutible and yet, to borrow a line from a seminary song from the 70s, \"their eyes are not yet open for they cannot see the truth\"!!\n<p>PS Anyone else remember that song? Our ward seminary class had to memorise it, to sing at the stake seminary graduation, I can still remember one of the lines \"their eyes are not yet open for they cannot see the truth, the book for us was written as a guide for wandering youth, so help them read that they may see ...... blah blah blah\" or something like that. God, I really believed in those days. Made a new dress especially for the graduation. Funny what you remember.</p>\n<p>\"Recovery from Mormonism - www.exmormon.org\"</p>\n', created = 1490772358, expire = 1490858758, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:1190eed3971a97454f522038835c54b2' in /home/exmormon/public_html/d6/drupal/includes/cache.inc on line 112.

by steve benson Jan 2012

A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud. How can anyone really trust an organization that buys documents which call into question the divine origins of the church for the sole purpose of keeping them from being published?

Sit down, loosen that tight, secret garment neckwear and open your eyes.

--THE PHOTO

http://www.utlm.org/images/newsletters/115/115cover_hofmannchurchleaders...
_____

--The Identities of the Individuals in THE PHOTO

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51020099-76/hofmann-letter-board-parol...
_____

--Photographs of the Article Announcing THE PHOTO, As They Appeared in the LDS-Owned "Church News"

http://www.utlm.org/images/tracking/trackingp73_a.jpg
_____

--Close-Up of the Pages of the "Church News" article on THE PHOTO:

*for an enlargment of the first page, scroll down and click on center-left image):

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingch6a.htm

*for an enlargement of the second page, scroll down and click on center-right image:

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingch6a.htm
_____

--The Background on THE PHOTO

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.utlm.org/images/tracking/...
_____

--The Verdict on the Claims of Your Mormon Church as Proven by THE PHOTO

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/39/2010/10/thumbs_down1013.jpg


onendagus
Re: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud
How can anyone really trust an organization that buys documents which call into question the divine origins of the church for the sole purpose of keeping them from being published?

Why is it that the spirit did not tell the Prophet about the forgery and blackmail attempt but the chief of "anti-mormon lies" Jerald Tanner could see it immediately?

Yes someone lies but guess what? It isn't who you were told.


Dave the Atheist
Re: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud
I like the way the so called "prophet" is looking through a magnifying glass as if he knows what he is looking for.
What a doofus !


Raider
Re: THE STUPID PART
From what was reported in the books about Hoffman, he had been trying to sell the McClellan collection, but hadn't produced it. He was under a lot of pressure since he'd borrowed money on the promise that he had located it. But he couldn't produce it so he set off the bombs, killing two people as a cover up. What confused me was that to pull this off it seemed like he had to have been working on forging the collection in order to finally cash in on the scheme. Much later, I read on the Tanner's site that it turned out that the Collection was actually in the church's possession all the time. They have such sloppy procedures that they hadn't even known they had the collection in their vault when they arranged a signature loan for $100,00 to Hoffman on the promise of finding it.

So much for inspiration & discernment! Sounds like taking inventory of the vault could have saved some lives


hello
Re: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud
yeah, that's pretty funny, DTA. He was clueless, and very stupid. Where's those heavenly priesthood keys when you need them?

reinventinggrace
Re: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud
Hey, I didn't remember seeing BKKKP in that photo. I thought the whole cast was dead by now. Maybe if we all send real nice emails to his handlers they'll let him do an upcoming Conference talk of Hofmann.

RG


Camara
Re: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud
The prophet was peeking as a man.
cl2
My dad--never much of a TBM
but close to the end of his life when I lost belief--this was the issue that constantly nagged at him. Every time this story came on A&E, he would talk to me about it and how it disturbed him.
imalive
Re: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud
+1

Stray Mutt
If the brethren had a shred of HG-powered discernment...
...they would have at least sensed there was something not quite right with that Hofmann fellow. After all, they claim to be able to sense "dark presences" in the room. Hell, they even know (with 99% accuracy, lol) when young men are masturbating. But a lying, swindling apostate future murderer is right there in the room with them, looking over their shoulders, they get......nada. Maybe it was because Hofmann's bad vibes were drowned out by the constant background radiation of their own swindle-ness. And by their fear the document might be real.


informer
I love that Hofmann keeps popping up in the news!
The Mo's must hate it because every time it happens, somebody new gets to rub their collective squeaky-clean church face in their own poo-poo. LOL!
CA girl
The thing that stood out for me, Steve
Was the quote headlined in the second article referenced, about how Mark Hoffman felt power in deceiving people.

“As far back as I can remember I have liked to impress people through my deceptions,” Hofmann wrote in a January 1988 letter to the Utah Board of Pardons and Parole. “Fooling people gave me a sense of power and superiority. I believe this is what led to my forging activities.”

I think as much as anything, this is the parallel between Joseph Smith and Mark Hoffman and a good insight into why Joseph did it. The Smith family was what probably today would be termed as "white trash". Lucy Smith obviously suffered from being looked down on by the people in Palmyra and one of Joseph Smith's complaints about how his "revelations" were received was that he was mocked. If you grow up with a chip on your shoulder like that, thinking everyone is looking down on you, being able to turn the tables and feel the power of fooling people, that sense of superiority - being smarter than everyone you led, was huge. Probably more than the money, it was the power over people that Joseph Smith got off on and made all he went through worth his time.


informer
+1,000,000, CA girl!
The parallel you've drawn is very astute. For a long time I have also thought it must be that way. It also helps explain the persecution complex they alway toss in the roadway whenever someone goes after them with a legitimate criticism.


The StalkerDog™
Oh, BKKKP's there.
Second from the right. His hands ain't too clean neither.
I believed this once, years ago..
Re: The thing that stood out for me, Steve
+2,000,000 CA girl.

T-Bone
Very well said, CA girl
I think most of us have such a difficult time identifying with this mindset (getting a thrill out of deceiving people) because we are just normal people.

Joe the horndog was a fraud. Hoffman was a fraud. Fear of damning information about the founding claims of Mormonism made these church leaders open the coffers and cough up cash for forged documents.

I read a book called, "The Mormon Murders" years ago. It was about Mark Hoffman and how he forged these documents. Remember how there are some pages left blank at the back of a book? Well, he'd cut them out and scribble something on them, then sell them. But since the forgeries were on old paper, they fooled a lot of people.


steve benson
It shows an unstable mind & one perhaps bent on revenge for perceived slights or operating out of jealousy, combined with a lust for power. Narcissistic. You know, like Joe Smith. 

Twinker
Another book . . .
Jerald Tanner's book, "Tracking the White Salamander" can be read on line.

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/trackingcontents.htm

Knowing more about the church's history than most believing Mormons, the Tanners suspected early on that the document was forged.

enoughenoch19
Re: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud
If you want to read more (besides Tracking the White Salamander) you can also read the Mormon Murders (fairly old) but informative for those who want to know more about it. Fairy cheap on Ebay.
Jerald and Sandra Tanner are one of the best things that ever happened to SLC. Everything they do is based on facts and no mean nasty diatribes. That's why TSCC must really hate them.
Jerald has passed on of course, but Sandra is still doing great things.


nonamekid
Ah, but that was the problem!
SWK was using a magnifying glass. If he just would have had old Joe's seerstone rushed up from the vault, he would have known beyond a shadow of a doubt that the document was a forgery.

They just don't make prophets like they used to.


Twinker
And this . . . .
Salamander: The Story of the Mormon Forgery Murders by Linda Sillitoe.
clairefergie
Re: THE PHOTO: For Lurking TBMs, A Warning--What You Are About to See is Undeniable Proof That Your Mormon Church is a Fraud
Hoffman was a huge influencing factor in me figuring out the church was false. I simply cannot understand how a member of the church can still believe in the leadership of the church after this. This leaves feelings behind, the hard facts are irrefutible and yet, to borrow a line from a seminary song from the 70s, "their eyes are not yet open for they cannot see the truth"!!

PS Anyone else remember that song? Our ward seminary class had to memorise it, to sing at the stake seminary graduation, I can still remember one of the lines "their eyes are not yet open for they cannot see the truth, the book for us was written as a guide for wandering youth, so help them read that they may see ...... blah blah blah" or something like that. God, I really believed in those days. Made a new dress especially for the graduation. Funny what you remember.

"Recovery from Mormonism - www.exmormon.org"