Apostle Holland Example on Personal Revelation

  • user warning: Table './exmo_08072012/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: SELECT data, created, headers, expire, serialized FROM cache_filter WHERE cid = '2:5af52df9941518fb1c198ba1eb3240bd' in /home/exmormon/public_html/d6/drupal/includes/cache.inc on line 27.
  • user warning: Table './exmo_08072012/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>vastique Mar. 2013</p>\n<p>For whatever reason I was torturing myself with reading biographies of the henchma. . . . um . . I mean \"apostles\". Came across this lil gem below.</p>\n<p>Now, THAT is skill. To be able to turn on a dime and change an abject failure into a \"teaching moment\".</p>\n<p>I\'m frankly a bit jealous . . . .</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://www.lds.org/prophets-and-apostles/what-are-prophets/bio/jeffrey-r-holland?lang=eng\" title=\"http://www.lds.org/prophets-and-apostles/what-are-prophets/bio/jeffrey-r-holland?lang=eng\">http://www.lds.org/prophets-and-apostles/what-are-prophets/bio/jeffrey-r...</a></p>\n<p>\"The Right Road<br />\nElder and Sister Holland have three children. Their son Matt recalls that spiritual training was a part of everyday family life. On an outing when Matt was 12, he had his first experience with personal revelation.</p>\n<p>Returning from an exploring trip on backcountry roads, he and his father came to an unexpected fork and could not remember which road to take. It was late in the day, and darkness would soon be enveloping them. Seizing a teaching moment, Jeffrey Holland asked his son to pray for direction. Afterward, he asked his son what he felt, and Matt replied that he felt strongly they should go left. Replying that he had felt the same way, his father turned the truck to the left. Ten minutes later, they came to a dead end and returned to take the other route.</p>\n<p>Matt thought for a time and then asked his father why they would get that kind of answer to a prayer. His father replied that with the sun going down, that was undoubtedly the quickest way for the Lord to give them information—in this case, which one was the wrong road. Now, though the other road might not be familiar and could be difficult in places, they could proceed confidently, knowing it was the right one.\"</p>\n<hr />\nDallin A. Chokes<br />\nRe: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .<br />\nWhaaaa...?\n<hr />\n<p>Fetal Deity<br />\nI find myself simutaneously sighing and pulling out fistfuls of hair ...<br />\nAlternative (BETTER!) answer: \"Son, the Lord has revealed to me that had we chosen the correct road initially, we would have encountered a migrating herd of hungry bears--yes, son, a HERD!\"</p>\n<hr />\nPyewacket<br />\nRe: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .<br />\nGood grief.\n<p>And this is a story he\'s so proud of it\'s on his public bio.</p>\n<p>I\'m simply flabbergasted.</p>\n<hr />\nvastique<br />\nRe: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .<br />\nseriously.\n<p>I consider myself mildly intelligent, but I couldnt for the life of me figure out what the point of his lesson was.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>mondaymorning<br />\nRe: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .<br />\nHahaha. It\'s only revelation when it\'s convenient.</p>\n<p>The same way Mo\'s use some Brigham Young quotes and ignore others. Only when it\'s convenient.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>jl<br />\nvastique Wrote:<br />\n-------------------------------------------------------<br />\n&gt; seriously.<br />\n&gt;<br />\n&gt; I consider myself mildly intelligent, but I<br />\n&gt; couldnt for the life of me figure out what the<br />\n&gt; point of his lesson was.</p>\n<p>I hear ya.</p>\n<p>Man....TBMs are supreme spin masters....</p>\n<hr />\nMr. Neutron<br />\nRe: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .<br />\nI\'m not sure which is more imbecilic, thinking that it was an answer to a prayer, or posting it online as an answer to a prayer.\n<p>...After prayerful consideration, I believe the fridge has told me that the latter is more imbecilic.</p>\n<hr />\ndajeffman<br />\nRe: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .<br />\nif they chose the right path it would\'ve been an answer to prayer.\n<p>since they chose the left path it\'s STILL an answer to prayer.</p>\n<p>What?</p>\n<p>\"they could proceed confidently, knowing it was the right one.\"</p>\n<p>umm. did they not proceed confidently after getting their so-called spiritual confirmation that the left road was right?</p>\n<p>They must\'ve DOUBTED!</p>\n<hr />\nkolobian<br />\nRe: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .<br />\nOh, I get it now!\n<p>So the prophets/apostles receiving revelation to build a mega mall, buying up real estate by the thousands of acres, providing financial support for bigotry and intolerance, and generally doing everything they can to further Lucifer\'s plan by limiting the choices of their membership and as many non-members as they can, is REALLY just the lord showing them the WRONG way to lead the church, so that when everything collapses they can take the 1,200 members still left and confidently stride down the path of truth and light.</p>\n<p>It all makes sense now...</p>\n<hr />\n<p>Mormoney<br />\nRe: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .<br />\nSo why didn\'t they get personal \"revelation\" to go down the right road and they would have had confidence that way.</p>\n<p>I don\'t get it. The only lesson I get from this is that personal revelation is irrelevant.</p>\n<hr />\nmoreevilthanhitler<br />\nRe: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .<br />\nThey\'re just separating the wheat from the tares.\n<hr />\nrt<br />\nSay what you will, but this spin is absolutely brilliant.&nbsp;\n<hr />\n<p>carltoro<br />\nRe: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .<br />\nSublime beauty.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>JamesM<br />\nRe: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .<br />\nHahaha. My eyes rolled to the back of my head while I pondered that, trying to figure out if it made any sense whatsoever.</p>\n<p>It didn\'t. How stupid.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>Good Witch<br />\nWTF????&nbsp;</p>\n<hr />\n<p>Brethren,adieu<br />\nRe: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .<br />\nMaybe Holland\'s son Matt is a closet apostate and was subversively trying to show how his Dad is really a dodo.</p>\n<p>\"Recovery from Mormonism - www.exmormon.org\"</p>\n', created = 1490335908, expire = 1490422308, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:5af52df9941518fb1c198ba1eb3240bd' in /home/exmormon/public_html/d6/drupal/includes/cache.inc on line 112.

vastique Mar. 2013

For whatever reason I was torturing myself with reading biographies of the henchma. . . . um . . I mean "apostles". Came across this lil gem below.

Now, THAT is skill. To be able to turn on a dime and change an abject failure into a "teaching moment".

I'm frankly a bit jealous . . . .

http://www.lds.org/prophets-and-apostles/what-are-prophets/bio/jeffrey-r...

"The Right Road
Elder and Sister Holland have three children. Their son Matt recalls that spiritual training was a part of everyday family life. On an outing when Matt was 12, he had his first experience with personal revelation.

Returning from an exploring trip on backcountry roads, he and his father came to an unexpected fork and could not remember which road to take. It was late in the day, and darkness would soon be enveloping them. Seizing a teaching moment, Jeffrey Holland asked his son to pray for direction. Afterward, he asked his son what he felt, and Matt replied that he felt strongly they should go left. Replying that he had felt the same way, his father turned the truck to the left. Ten minutes later, they came to a dead end and returned to take the other route.

Matt thought for a time and then asked his father why they would get that kind of answer to a prayer. His father replied that with the sun going down, that was undoubtedly the quickest way for the Lord to give them information—in this case, which one was the wrong road. Now, though the other road might not be familiar and could be difficult in places, they could proceed confidently, knowing it was the right one."


Dallin A. Chokes
Re: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .
Whaaaa...?

Fetal Deity
I find myself simutaneously sighing and pulling out fistfuls of hair ...
Alternative (BETTER!) answer: "Son, the Lord has revealed to me that had we chosen the correct road initially, we would have encountered a migrating herd of hungry bears--yes, son, a HERD!"


Pyewacket
Re: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .
Good grief.

And this is a story he's so proud of it's on his public bio.

I'm simply flabbergasted.


vastique
Re: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .
seriously.

I consider myself mildly intelligent, but I couldnt for the life of me figure out what the point of his lesson was.


mondaymorning
Re: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .
Hahaha. It's only revelation when it's convenient.

The same way Mo's use some Brigham Young quotes and ignore others. Only when it's convenient.


jl
vastique Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> seriously.
>
> I consider myself mildly intelligent, but I
> couldnt for the life of me figure out what the
> point of his lesson was.

I hear ya.

Man....TBMs are supreme spin masters....


Mr. Neutron
Re: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .
I'm not sure which is more imbecilic, thinking that it was an answer to a prayer, or posting it online as an answer to a prayer.

...After prayerful consideration, I believe the fridge has told me that the latter is more imbecilic.


dajeffman
Re: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .
if they chose the right path it would've been an answer to prayer.

since they chose the left path it's STILL an answer to prayer.

What?

"they could proceed confidently, knowing it was the right one."

umm. did they not proceed confidently after getting their so-called spiritual confirmation that the left road was right?

They must've DOUBTED!


kolobian
Re: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .
Oh, I get it now!

So the prophets/apostles receiving revelation to build a mega mall, buying up real estate by the thousands of acres, providing financial support for bigotry and intolerance, and generally doing everything they can to further Lucifer's plan by limiting the choices of their membership and as many non-members as they can, is REALLY just the lord showing them the WRONG way to lead the church, so that when everything collapses they can take the 1,200 members still left and confidently stride down the path of truth and light.

It all makes sense now...


Mormoney
Re: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .
So why didn't they get personal "revelation" to go down the right road and they would have had confidence that way.

I don't get it. The only lesson I get from this is that personal revelation is irrelevant.


moreevilthanhitler
Re: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .
They're just separating the wheat from the tares.
rt
Say what you will, but this spin is absolutely brilliant. 

carltoro
Re: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .
Sublime beauty.


JamesM
Re: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .
Hahaha. My eyes rolled to the back of my head while I pondered that, trying to figure out if it made any sense whatsoever.

It didn't. How stupid.


Good Witch
WTF???? 


Brethren,adieu
Re: More Proof of the Twoo Church . . .
Maybe Holland's son Matt is a closet apostate and was subversively trying to show how his Dad is really a dodo.

"Recovery from Mormonism - www.exmormon.org"