Posted by Tom on October 21, 1999 at 15:38:39:
In Reply to: Tom as a 'scientist' and 'historian' posted by rpcman on October 21, 1999 at 14:13:06:
Tom
I will be quite happy to fill you in on page numbers. I can even
give counter numbers from the videos. Since I transcribes many of its
passages for my M.A. thesis on Sagan--thank you very much. Unfortunately,
I don't have these materials in my office, where I am currently,
But I will bring them tomorrow. Sorry friend. This is an argument you
will lose. I've been studying Sagn's rhetoric for 15 years, alongside
my historical studies (both primary and secondary sources) of scientific
history.
: : The historical treatments I'm referring to are found in
: : Sagan's book and TV series Cosmos.
: Having read and seen those, I can assure you that you are likely wrong. The only one of Sagan's works I have handy is Billions and Billions and in that book he considers Aristotle a scientist--not anti-scientific (although from other readings I've done on Aristotle I can see how someone could honestly call him anti-science from a modern perspective of scientific *methodology*).
: : ...this is pure conjecture.
: Is there as much conjecture as contained in your posts in this thread? If you want to be believed you will need to show us these full quotes, in context, and then show (not tell) us the real facts.
: : This may have occurred to Sagan in one of his dreams, but it has no factual basis.
: Sagan's dreams or your dreams? Had you bothered to read (and comprehend!) this thread you'd see that it wasn't Sagan's dreams we discussed. It was an article by William Calvin about how some dreams may possibly be used as inspiration for new thoughts--not for making up facts as your posts appear to do.